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		<title>By: fraster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fraster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vermaelen was disappointed??? Me too!!! 
And then, guys, we need score more goals, and we must avoid relaxing with an advantageous score...the game finishes at last injured minute of 2nd half, not before!!!
It&#039;s an important advert, now that it comes the match against Spurs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vermaelen was disappointed??? Me too!!!<br />
And then, guys, we need score more goals, and we must avoid relaxing with an advantageous score&#8230;the game finishes at last injured minute of 2nd half, not before!!!<br />
It&#8217;s an important advert, now that it comes the match against Spurs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: aro</title>
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		<dc:creator>aro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why dont u apply manager&#039;s position replace wenger if u know better then wenger...??
its football dude,sometime u win,sometime u lost..when we win,u happy,when we lost u got angered and start to blame others...

if u call urself as fans,just give 100% support to teams..no one want to lost but its unpredictable..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why dont u apply manager&#8217;s position replace wenger if u know better then wenger&#8230;??<br />
its football dude,sometime u win,sometime u lost..when we win,u happy,when we lost u got angered and start to blame others&#8230;</p>
<p>if u call urself as fans,just give 100% support to teams..no one want to lost but its unpredictable..</p>
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		<title>By: hammers273</title>
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		<dc:creator>hammers273</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can analyse  and moan as much as you like but at the end of the day it boils down to one thing, the english premier league.
A league like no other in the world, a league where some of the top players in the world rub shoulders with well travelled journeymen, where up and coming teenagers mix it with players that are past their sell by date but still have enough class to squeeze half a game in before being subbed.
where else would you find clubs like Hull City, Burnley and Stoke City competing with uber teams from Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and manage to come away with three points to make the bookies smile.
This game may be 90% predictable but its the 10% chance of upset that keeps us guessing to whether our side will fly or flop.
So leave old Wenger alone, he&#039;s the best manager you&#039;ve ever had but now you take him for granted, one day he will move on and then you will really find out how hard it is to replace such a class act.
The Hammers may be second bottom but they are a good side who play football for 90 minutes under the up and coming zola, their current position is false, so just be thankful that you didn&#039;t meet them in full flight, as they will be a force to be reckoned with later in the season (it&#039;s a good thing optimism)

Oh and this will all be forgotten after you stuff spurs this weekend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can analyse  and moan as much as you like but at the end of the day it boils down to one thing, the english premier league.<br />
A league like no other in the world, a league where some of the top players in the world rub shoulders with well travelled journeymen, where up and coming teenagers mix it with players that are past their sell by date but still have enough class to squeeze half a game in before being subbed.<br />
where else would you find clubs like Hull City, Burnley and Stoke City competing with uber teams from Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool and manage to come away with three points to make the bookies smile.<br />
This game may be 90% predictable but its the 10% chance of upset that keeps us guessing to whether our side will fly or flop.<br />
So leave old Wenger alone, he&#8217;s the best manager you&#8217;ve ever had but now you take him for granted, one day he will move on and then you will really find out how hard it is to replace such a class act.<br />
The Hammers may be second bottom but they are a good side who play football for 90 minutes under the up and coming zola, their current position is false, so just be thankful that you didn&#8217;t meet them in full flight, as they will be a force to be reckoned with later in the season (it&#8217;s a good thing optimism)</p>
<p>Oh and this will all be forgotten after you stuff spurs this weekend</p>
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		<title>By: Davie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was all the managers fault - total complacency on his part and constantly fielding Diaby for full 90mins even when he clearly sees the guy&#039;s worn out and not always improving despite the number of games he&#039;s had. Secondly, he (Wenger) always uses the same old tactics for example, making substitutions in the 70th and above minutes. That way, he can never get to kill off the game early to avoid putting pressure on himself &amp; the fans.

Arsenal will continue to have trophy drought if the manager doesn&#039;t change his way of taking long to think while the game&#039;s going on - he&#039;s got to think first the way Mourinho and the capello&#039;s of this world do. Always have plan B if A&#039;s failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was all the managers fault &#8211; total complacency on his part and constantly fielding Diaby for full 90mins even when he clearly sees the guy&#8217;s worn out and not always improving despite the number of games he&#8217;s had. Secondly, he (Wenger) always uses the same old tactics for example, making substitutions in the 70th and above minutes. That way, he can never get to kill off the game early to avoid putting pressure on himself &amp; the fans.</p>
<p>Arsenal will continue to have trophy drought if the manager doesn&#8217;t change his way of taking long to think while the game&#8217;s going on &#8211; he&#8217;s got to think first the way Mourinho and the capello&#8217;s of this world do. Always have plan B if A&#8217;s failing.</p>
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		<title>By: BillikenGooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillikenGooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame Wenger completely because the players need to play, but I think he should have seen the lackadaisical play from the team in the second half and brought on other players earlier. Young players want to make a name for themselves, or a gu like Eduardo wants to reshow his worth after injury, so they would have injected more spirit into the team when up 2-0. I think even before the first goal, most people saw that Arsenal had started to think the game was won and had &#039;turned off&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame Wenger completely because the players need to play, but I think he should have seen the lackadaisical play from the team in the second half and brought on other players earlier. Young players want to make a name for themselves, or a gu like Eduardo wants to reshow his worth after injury, so they would have injected more spirit into the team when up 2-0. I think even before the first goal, most people saw that Arsenal had started to think the game was won and had &#8216;turned off&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davi,

Do you really think that Arsenal&#039;s defending was fine?  To me they looked like headless chickens.  From the moment that Mannone handed the Hammers the first goal the rest of the defence fell apart, they obviously lost all confidence in the keeper and totally panicked.

Following the abject surrender to AZ Alkmaar, I would have thought the team had learnt a lesson but it is obvious that either they are too arrogant to believe that a &quot;small &quot; team like West Ham might dare to put up a fight or they are too thick to understand that they need to play for the entire match and not coast along having gone into an early lead.

Arsene Wenger was furious after the match.  The time for him to show his anger was at half-time when he should have been kicking a***s in the dressing room.

Why is it that the team can retain possession for long periods during the first seventy five minutes of a game but resort to hoofing the ball upfield and giving away possession during the crucial closing stages.

We need a captain on the pitch who can generate a calming influence on his team-mates, Fabregas is a wonderful player but is most definitely not the man to captain the side.  Perhaps Thomas Vermaelen should be the skipper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davi,</p>
<p>Do you really think that Arsenal&#8217;s defending was fine?  To me they looked like headless chickens.  From the moment that Mannone handed the Hammers the first goal the rest of the defence fell apart, they obviously lost all confidence in the keeper and totally panicked.</p>
<p>Following the abject surrender to AZ Alkmaar, I would have thought the team had learnt a lesson but it is obvious that either they are too arrogant to believe that a &#8220;small &#8221; team like West Ham might dare to put up a fight or they are too thick to understand that they need to play for the entire match and not coast along having gone into an early lead.</p>
<p>Arsene Wenger was furious after the match.  The time for him to show his anger was at half-time when he should have been kicking a***s in the dressing room.</p>
<p>Why is it that the team can retain possession for long periods during the first seventy five minutes of a game but resort to hoofing the ball upfield and giving away possession during the crucial closing stages.</p>
<p>We need a captain on the pitch who can generate a calming influence on his team-mates, Fabregas is a wonderful player but is most definitely not the man to captain the side.  Perhaps Thomas Vermaelen should be the skipper.</p>
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		<title>By: messi</title>
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		<dc:creator>messi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mate im pissed off too but firstly calm down dont blame everything on arsene if we won that game you wouldnt of said nothing, i blame it on the ref, you talk about passion these guys want to win it with the current players and have mostly stuck together for four years minimum with no trophy thats passion mate. You talk about rooney but hold on the passion he shows is anger i agree but if these arsenal players behave in the same way as rooney thats a yellow every game for every player mate, our foreign players cant behave in that way believe it or not.Remember sagna at old trafford when he shouted at the ref and was waving his hands with anger from more than 20 meters he got a yellow when rooney is shouting and pointing at every pillar of any stadium nothing is given to him so before you mention the words passion and rooney just stop there. The team played very good I agree wenger should&#039;ve made the change but at 70th was the right time just when the west ham fans started to liven up the place to fill their players with confidence but wenger stuck to his choices but that didnt loose us the game the game was lost because of the referee&#039;s poor decisions like not giving a yellow to s. parker for diving. FULL STOP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mate im pissed off too but firstly calm down dont blame everything on arsene if we won that game you wouldnt of said nothing, i blame it on the ref, you talk about passion these guys want to win it with the current players and have mostly stuck together for four years minimum with no trophy thats passion mate. You talk about rooney but hold on the passion he shows is anger i agree but if these arsenal players behave in the same way as rooney thats a yellow every game for every player mate, our foreign players cant behave in that way believe it or not.Remember sagna at old trafford when he shouted at the ref and was waving his hands with anger from more than 20 meters he got a yellow when rooney is shouting and pointing at every pillar of any stadium nothing is given to him so before you mention the words passion and rooney just stop there. The team played very good I agree wenger should&#8217;ve made the change but at 70th was the right time just when the west ham fans started to liven up the place to fill their players with confidence but wenger stuck to his choices but that didnt loose us the game the game was lost because of the referee&#8217;s poor decisions like not giving a yellow to s. parker for diving. FULL STOP</p>
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		<title>By: messi</title>
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		<dc:creator>messi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mate whos saying that mannone is a rookie he is still a good keeper for his age but he made a very bad mistake anyone will tell you that why push the ball to the where the danger is why not push it to the corner or behind th posts. But i agree with davi i think both decisions were absolutely ridiculous to be honest, I just dont get it if a player falls in the box with no contact at all then its classed as a dive and a yellow card should be given straight away RIGHT? that didnt happen why not? because we were away had that been at home that wouldve been a yellow card, carlton cole went down far too easy for me and that penalty was given why because the previous one was not given i think the boys played good to be honest i agree with some of you guys saying wenger should&#039;ve changed diaby and arshavin not because they were making mistakes but because they were very tierd and arshavin was straight poor seriously, but he left it too the last 10 mins, eboue had another very good game 1 or 2 mispasses but overall comfortable diaby was ok but i thought the subs shouldve been introduced when west ham started regaining their confidence, but anyways thats football van persie shouldve burried his last chance but overall he was very good for us, hopefully tomorrow we can beat liverpool again with the youngsters even though they will be fired up since the united game. CANT WAIT COME ON ARSENAL!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mate whos saying that mannone is a rookie he is still a good keeper for his age but he made a very bad mistake anyone will tell you that why push the ball to the where the danger is why not push it to the corner or behind th posts. But i agree with davi i think both decisions were absolutely ridiculous to be honest, I just dont get it if a player falls in the box with no contact at all then its classed as a dive and a yellow card should be given straight away RIGHT? that didnt happen why not? because we were away had that been at home that wouldve been a yellow card, carlton cole went down far too easy for me and that penalty was given why because the previous one was not given i think the boys played good to be honest i agree with some of you guys saying wenger should&#8217;ve changed diaby and arshavin not because they were making mistakes but because they were very tierd and arshavin was straight poor seriously, but he left it too the last 10 mins, eboue had another very good game 1 or 2 mispasses but overall comfortable diaby was ok but i thought the subs shouldve been introduced when west ham started regaining their confidence, but anyways thats football van persie shouldve burried his last chance but overall he was very good for us, hopefully tomorrow we can beat liverpool again with the youngsters even though they will be fired up since the united game. CANT WAIT COME ON ARSENAL!!!</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wenger!!! wenger!! 
The manager is to blame for the draw with whu.No one else.No matter what,Arsene like to send from the bench only on the 70th minute.To all the hype that you receive i never buy this attitude.WENGER you are the one that you can see that your team it doesn`t kill game not individual player wether is captain or not.You suppose to read the situation early and send a proper sub at the right time not your stiff  attitude on sending subs at the 70th or 80th minutes.Ridiculous absolutely pathetic.I dont see any reason why if not change tactics when your opponent is changing his .Sorry mate you lost it and you suppose to have the gut to come out and yourself clear  instead you choose to blame referee and the usual  laments that the team has switched off BLA-BLA-BLA.I am hundred per cent sure other mediocre managers woul have done something and win it.
 The defence is liking goals what have you done to improve it ?Yes you brought Vermalen but still you got already tens of goals leaked and we are on october.NO! No! NO! my friend they can hype you praise for the past and so do i but we are leaving in present not yesterday.
No question the team you assemled is technically high but the lack of passion, attitude the burning to win is not there.This players they play the way they play because it is in them not because they are really passionate.The sum of all arsenal players it does not make half of what the passion Rooney got.Otherwise yours and the players performance has shown time and again that you cannot win trophy.I love arsenal football club and i love to see winning trophy but i am convinced that there is no way that i can expect anything that the fourth place as usuall.You said it is time to deliver and if you fail simply the club has to move on even without you.An idiot might say Oh its only a draw and it is only one game !! No mate enough is enough is me answer because there is no reason why we should not win the game rather than to blame to our  pathetic attitude.
To ask your head it was highly questionable recently but yourself know well indeed your time is definetly over if  you don`t bag the premiership title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wenger!!! wenger!!<br />
The manager is to blame for the draw with whu.No one else.No matter what,Arsene like to send from the bench only on the 70th minute.To all the hype that you receive i never buy this attitude.WENGER you are the one that you can see that your team it doesn`t kill game not individual player wether is captain or not.You suppose to read the situation early and send a proper sub at the right time not your stiff  attitude on sending subs at the 70th or 80th minutes.Ridiculous absolutely pathetic.I dont see any reason why if not change tactics when your opponent is changing his .Sorry mate you lost it and you suppose to have the gut to come out and yourself clear  instead you choose to blame referee and the usual  laments that the team has switched off BLA-BLA-BLA.I am hundred per cent sure other mediocre managers woul have done something and win it.<br />
 The defence is liking goals what have you done to improve it ?Yes you brought Vermalen but still you got already tens of goals leaked and we are on october.NO! No! NO! my friend they can hype you praise for the past and so do i but we are leaving in present not yesterday.<br />
No question the team you assemled is technically high but the lack of passion, attitude the burning to win is not there.This players they play the way they play because it is in them not because they are really passionate.The sum of all arsenal players it does not make half of what the passion Rooney got.Otherwise yours and the players performance has shown time and again that you cannot win trophy.I love arsenal football club and i love to see winning trophy but i am convinced that there is no way that i can expect anything that the fourth place as usuall.You said it is time to deliver and if you fail simply the club has to move on even without you.An idiot might say Oh its only a draw and it is only one game !! No mate enough is enough is me answer because there is no reason why we should not win the game rather than to blame to our  pathetic attitude.<br />
To ask your head it was highly questionable recently but yourself know well indeed your time is definetly over if  you don`t bag the premiership title.</p>
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		<title>By: Davi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cole was diving around only moments before that by the corner flag!
He was strong as an ox when it suited him, light as a feather when losing control of the ball.  Basically a drogba in the making. Good luck to him, I respect the skill he showed in the game, but his diving should be highlighted.
The ref has to be stronger though. He responded to crowd reaction.
Parker did dive. Again, he may have brushed a defender, although i didnt really get that from the replay, but he threw himself down as he knew he couldnt keep the ball.
Outside the box, the cole one may be given as a freekick, not 10 times out of 10 tho. Just like in the actual case, it depends if the referee buys the dive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cole was diving around only moments before that by the corner flag!<br />
He was strong as an ox when it suited him, light as a feather when losing control of the ball.  Basically a drogba in the making. Good luck to him, I respect the skill he showed in the game, but his diving should be highlighted.<br />
The ref has to be stronger though. He responded to crowd reaction.<br />
Parker did dive. Again, he may have brushed a defender, although i didnt really get that from the replay, but he threw himself down as he knew he couldnt keep the ball.<br />
Outside the box, the cole one may be given as a freekick, not 10 times out of 10 tho. Just like in the actual case, it depends if the referee buys the dive!</p>
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