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Arsenal vs Manchester United, 1-0: Full time analysis and player ratings

Written by Chris on May 1, 2011 – 22:30

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The Game

“When the season kicked-off and I looked at every single element of the two squads, I saw two teams on the same level and no difference in quality”.

How presumptuous to quote my own self, eh? But as I was saying in the chat room before the game started, I knew that the team was not going to disappoint us today and that a win was more than possible.

See this hurts, in a way, because today I saw the same fighting spirit, the same determination and the same positive attitude I saw when we played against Barcelona here at the Emirates. And had we played with the same fighting spirit in every single game of the season, yes, we would indeed be first and with a comfortable margin.

The reason why we don’t show up when we play against bottom-of-the-table teams and the reason why we give away so many leads is a mystery, a mystery that I’m afraid I have no explanation for but as I was saying yesterday in the preview, there is one thing for sure, we are second to none.

Having said that, today’s game proved wrong two theories of why we are not winning anything: referee decisions and the financial power of the other teams. And that’s because we won a game in which a number of referee decisions went against us and played a team that has invested more than we did in the transfer market in these last couple of years.

Of course it would be foolish of me not to mention Aaron Ramsey’s impeccable game and I just laugh at all the stick I was getting when way back in 2008 I wanted Aaron to be given more regular starts in the team, to be preferred to the likes of Denilson and Abou Diaby. Aaron is special and today’s game, today’s goal show that he is fully recovered from injury and ready to play an important role in midfield next season.

Incidentally, although I could be wrong of course, this is the first time we played with this set-up in midfield and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Alex Song was back to his old self as every element in the middle of the pitch knew what his job was and didn’t interfere with the rest.

To conclude, yes, there were some tense moments in the last 15 minutes of the game and this will probably not help us get back in the title race but at least we can finally archive a day of football with no regrets, with no ifs and buts. Whether this will be the case next week and the week after as well is all to be seen but in the meantime, I want to enjoy this victory knowing that when the team I love is at its best, it’s indeed the best there is out there.

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Match Video Highlights

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Player Ratings

Szczesny: 8 – Produced a couple of very important blocks including a 48th minute save to deny Wayne Rooney from a set piece and one in the 76th minute when Nani tried his luck from the right.

Djourou: 6,5 – Sad to see Johan prematurely abandon the pitch. He was having a so-and-so game as he was very good in the first half but was a little bit shaky in the second when we were put under pressure. Not all convinced with the way he lost Hernandez in the 53rd minute and failed to challenge Vidic from a corner minutes later.

Koscielny: 7,5 – If we are to forget the way he horribly gave it away in the 40th minute, Laurent had a brilliant game at the back. Fantastic, the way he won the ball and came forward in the 82nd minute, top class.

Clichy: 7 – I am still convinced we need to put pressure on Gael by bringing a new left back in the summer transfer window but if he can perform like today, I’m happy. I am not sure if his challenge on Michael Owen was a penalty, that would maybe change my rating but let’s not forget this was maybe the first time he won the personal dual against Nani.

Sagna: 7 – Solid at the back and was a big plus when we surged forward from Theo’s wing.

Wilshere: 6,5 – Made a number of uncharacteristic mistakes in the first half such as the missed chance in the second minute but did well in the second period.

Song: 7 – Loved Alex today, sitting slightly deeper and doing what he does best, easing the pressure off the defensive department.

Ramsey: 8,5 – Brilliant first half but it’s in the second that his show started. Phenomenal run in the 52nd minute concluded with his shot blocked by the Manchester defence and cool to give us the lead four minutes later. Welcome back Aaron, I always knew you were special.

Nasri: 5,5 – Quiet game for Samir, most likely not at his best after the injury. Let’s hope it’s nothing serious ahead of our last three games of the season.

Walcott: 6,5 – Excellent on the right as he delivered a number of very interesting balls including, of course, the one ended with Vidic’s hand ball.

van Persie: 6,5 – Was this the first time he didn’t score in 2011? Still managed to make an impact as he assisted Aaron for the goal.

(Subs)
Arshavin: 7,5 – Wow, was that Andrey out there? The way he fought, the way he won balls and the way he never gave up was terrific today.

Squillaci and Eboue: No Vote – Sebastien did well after taking over from Johan with Emmanuel coming on with eleven minutes to go.

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  • Nabil Danial says:

    Ramsey vs Man Utd:
    60 passes (most of all players in the match)
    92 % pass completion rate (second in the match, behind Squillaci who only have 3 passes)
    Welcome back Ramsey!! And, who’s Cesc? (just kiddin’ ;P)

    • cobooy booy says:

      I’m very2 happy to arsenal win with mu…. haha go go go go go.. arsenal n chelsea…

  • Am says:

    We have the nucleous of a good team:

    Walcott, Wilshire, Ramsay, Gibbs, Sczezney, Cant see RVP leaving any time soon either.

    Vermealen, Koscielny and Djourou are all still quite young and will only get better.

    Add in Jenkinson who I have been told will be a decent player for right back.

  • soccersurf says:

    Happy we won but painful at the same time. Where is the fighting spirit and organization all season?

    With that said, still had the usual arsenal issues. Not complaining because we won but just confused why we don’t shoot the ball more. Even if the angle isnt perfect so what, deflections happen, handballs, who know. We have no problem crossing into the box when their defenders dominate us in the air but we won’t shoot from 10 yards?
    1-0 could have easily been 1-1.
    Also too many cheap give aways as usual but with all that said it is nice to get a win

    Hopefully this won’t give Wenger too much fuel though. Because seriously we could go and lose to blackburn or stoke. Great game by Jack and Ramsey but I think we really need another scorer. Too many chances, a good striker would easily bag us 20 with the chances we create

    • Mick says:

      Some people are never satisfied. For Gods sake can,t you just enjoy, why do you need to pick holes.

      • Therapy Inc says:

        Because people who don’t pick holes, won’t ever be great. Greatness comes from looking at your faults and correcting them. If you think we played a perfect game out there, then fine there is no reason to look at the mistakes. We obviously didn’t and any mistake that can be corrected makes us better.

        Even Barcelona can fix mistakes… we are enjoying the win but there is still work to do.

        • Erichero says:

          I agree with Mick – there has to be a moment where you sit down and enjoy it. Otherwise there’s something wrong with you – like permanent cynic disease, called Mylopalmeritis.

        • Mick says:

          Therapy Inc….Read what I said properly and do not distort my words. I do sometimes pick holes as you put it, and I did not say the game we played was perfect. All I said was enjoy the win for what it was. There is an appropriate time to engage in critisism and match analasys.

        • StillKingKolo says:

          But we’re the fans mate not the manager?! don’t worry you won’t be great anytime soon, whether you pick holes or not

      • N7 Gooner says:

        Agree. Today we beat the league leaders and champs league finalists and you’re on a forum complaining? Give me a break!

      • thegoon says:

        cos he is right, we were way too wasteful and could have easily ended up 1-1 and knowing man u they would have pushed for the killer 1-2 had we gone level, Evra himself said it, they were not their usual self and that true as well. cant say the same for us, we had 78% and no goals 1st half.its called effeciency and thats what Man u are, far more effecient with the ball than any other team, they will play crap and still make their few chances count, Gary neville said on skysports”winning is a habit” and that just makes me understand why they win its cos they have been drilled to win and not to play true to their brand of game but to their brand of winning. we need our team to do the same thru wenger,the only reason they never shoot is cause they are under instruction and so wenger needs to change that part of his philosophy cause its cost us almost most of our losses. And the wrong fuel he needs is that of taking the same approach he used against man u against the remaining teams. he needs to learn his lesson and quick.we are so fortunate Ramsey is a player who naturally likes to have a go at the keeper cos had that been Jack he would have mostly tried to find a pass. we only have ramsey,RVP,Arshavin who are more direct and nasri on his day but that shouldnt be the case.

    • Jenkinson says:

      Sounds as if you’re repeating little moans you’ve had in the past in order to prove how right you’ve been all along.

      • soccersurf says:

        Jenky – I am complaining because one game doesn’t make a season. It has been a painful last 6 years, a lot of bitter saturday mornings for me. Where is this spirit when games really matter (would we have played differently with more pressure?)

        Of course I am happy and enjoying it, but there are a lot of regrets on this season. I am again already looking forward to next season but we HAVE TO LEARN FROM MISTAKES. Wenger didn’t do it this year but let’s hope he does next

        • richie says:

          A painful last six years? Why because we are always in the top 4? Because we are one of only 4 ever to have won the prem?
          Try being a Spud try being Mr Daniel Levy having spent all that wedge and only getting in the top 4 once in all those years. Try being one of the best supporters in the English league having seen your club spend a fortune and your team never having won the prem in 19 attempts, thats what Liverpool supporters have painfully suffered, thats what the Spuds and all the other 16 teams who haven’t won the prem have suffered. We on the other hand don’t have bundles of player debt. We play great entertaining attacking football we’ve stayed competitive. And we’ve won the prem 3 times including once unbeaten. (Never mind the all finals we’ve been to and cups we’ve won on top). Its one thing to say we’ve got room to improve another to cry about painfull years try being a proper supporter. Thats the difference between us and the Manx they play crap and their suppoters don’t complain. The Cop support their team win lose or draw. I waited supporting my team durring all our lean years when we didn’t play well like we do now for any scrap 10 years (17 actually) during the 60’s then 7 following success, then another 7 until success came again. In all honesty we’ve never had it so good, I want to win something but I believe in holding on to the principles that have served us well, success will come again if we hold our nerve.

    • Rob c says:

      Absolutely agree, we need a clinical finisher that will bury the chances we give him, RVP is excellent but as we all know is injury prone. Samir was unfortunately not at the top of his game otherwise he would have chipped the keeper instead of blasting at him, and had Vidic’s handball been seen (how did the linesman not?) Manure down to ten men and a penalty, game over and had we buried some of the other chances and also shot when we had the chance we could have slaughtered them. Fergie changed his tactics and tried to play football against us and lost, even at Old Trafford they set up to hit us on the break, Rooney took up the right back position when they didn’t have the ball. A few purchases over the summer and we can be the new invincibles, massive talent that needs some quality older heads to take charge when needed.

  • OskarK says:

    Yes Clichy has been (very) shaky this season, but in this game he really stepped it up in my eyes. He made the (probably) most dangerous right-winger in the league look average. He deserves more credit, for marking Nani is not easy!

  • William says:

    I liked Ramsey’s game, but I think that he wasn’t delivering the final ball quite too well today. Obviously, he gets a nice rating for the sweet finish, but he wasn’t quite good with the killer ball as Fabregas was. Of course, part of this could be attributed to his lack of playing, etc etc.
    I was also a little disappointed with how rarely Arshavin ran forward to assist in counters, but I’m not sure whether that’s laziness (since he worked hard in the defensive department, but just jogged forward) or his instructions from Wenger.
    Otherwise, I feel like your ratings were spot on.

    • Am says:

      Cesc and Ramsay are different types of players. Fabregas is more about the cute, intricate passing. He makes many goals, he can find a pass from nowhere.

      Ramsay is a busy body and put opposition players under pressure and drives the players forward. he shoots more. So is more direct.

      All in all we have 4 fantastic midfielders:

      Ramsay, Fabregas, Wilshire and Song

      • Goons_with_Guns says:

        Where does that leave Nasri, exactly? Le Whiner has had him rotting on the left, which is why he hasn’t had many chances to and actually score since the new year! Too many true CF’s in the team, Le Whiner!

        • Goons_with_Guns says:

          And what of Le Diabolical Diaby? I hope he never plays another game for us along with Denilson, Alumnia, Squid, Rosicky. The Reserve players would be better on the bench than these tossers!

  • goonermad says:

    Today’s game was all about overcoming the personal issues Arsenal have been suffering since basically the Carling Cup Final. It was long in coming and only the last three games will tell if they have managed to do this after this great result. So credit today for all those on the pitch. They dominated the first half and stood well in the second, albeit inviting United to come on to them, which could have worked if our finishing had been more clinical. It really could have been 3 or 4 – nil. Once again unfortunately the game was marred by some awful refereeing something we have all (and not just Arsenal) have witnessed this season. In fact it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to suggest Chris Foy was the Mancs 12th man, 4 blocks and numerous interesting decision; IMO sitting in the stand, it was almost like he was willing United to win! Still we did it and all credit to the lads.

    Lets hope Nasri and Djourou are okay, interesting about Cesc’s injury, that came as a surprise!

  • Haz says:

    I just could not stop grinning from ear to ear every time Arshavin went flying into a bone crunching tackle. The way he got up straight afterwards and continued to do it was simply awesome. With that as a starting eleven, Cesc or no Cesc, us fans will be very lucky, of that there is no doubt.

  • bret says:

    So refreshing to see Wilshere and Ramsey playing so well together, our midfield has a very bright future. Very bright.

    • Davi says:

      They both showed a degree of leadership. My worry is that when fabregas comes into the side, they lose that, particularly ramsey, and allow cesc to take the lead. In fact most of the team seems to do that. Obviously fabregas is an amazing player, our best player, but we play through him FAR too much. It puts too much pressure on him actually.

  • Cameron says:

    Chris I feel the mystery is just anxiety. In a big game the player don’t feel as much pressure as losing but playing well is more exceptable. They seem to get very nervous. We lck a cool head in the defence, It gets pretty frantic.

    It also consistency we lack. Arsenal are getting better. It is easy to be pessimistic I know I have been but hey we are better.

    Koscienly will improve he is a good player just no consistent. The mistakes will fade from his game the same for Djouro.

    We just dropped silly points this season. that is what cost us. 1point of west brom 1 point off newcastle 2 points off sunderland 1 point off totenham :( . All over two legs.

    But we beat Manchester united this year and Chelsea. Last year both loses. Same againast barca 6-3 down to 4-3

    • Chris says:

      Yes Cameron, clearly showing what I have been saying for months that this team IS good enough. Lacking a cool head in the defence is a logical explanation, makes sense and we desperately need to work on that aspect if we are to be strong when the going gets tough next year.

      • billp79 says:

        how about Wenger, did he make the right selections?…pfhhht.

        Ramsey played well for not having a lot of games in…when Djo went down though he was deperatly looking for a water bottle in the medic kit…he still has a way to go…

        Koscelny looks scared everytime Sebastian comes on…for good reason…Sebastian drifted almost imediately after coming on…of course MU was applying pressure at that time…but he has enough years in…he should have been directing Willshire and Rambo… instead he gets caught out….

        I’m starting to have doubts about 1 stiker formation…it seems like everyone is late getting behind the last defender and nobody is at the other post….like I said in the other thread…Arshavin ain’t going to thunder one in…

        Owen was already on his way down, looking for the PK, before he was stamped…Vidic should have gotten yellow and PK for us.

  • Lanz says:

    I was waiting for you ratings. Several times your ratings reflect your emotions at the game. Even when the boys did everything but failed to win as with the Liverpool match, you really go at them. I don’t think it should be so. I was really waiting for your ratings and they fairly match my predictions. If Manure had won 1-0, it would have been 4s and 5s! Nice week!

    • Therapy Inc says:

      If Man United won, doesn’t that mean that our players didnt play as well as when we win? I don’t think your criticism argument makes much sense.

      • Erichero says:

        With Lanz on this. If Man Utd had scored 2 quick goals in the last few minutes, the offensive unit of the team generally gets worse ratings, which obviously is illogical. It’s a simple psychological phenomenon.

        It highlights the point that the difference between success and failure can be a very fine line (eg. one CC final miscommunication at the back), and that’s why the really hurtful criticism of the team has been out of place.

        • Chris says:

          Please do specify this is your personal opinion, I want no-one to believe I rate players based on the result.

    • Chris says:

      Lanz, I’m afraid you need to put more effort if you want people to take you seriously

      The 4s and 5s you are referring you in “the Liverpool match” are just the fruits of your imagination since the lowest mark for that game was given to Wilshere, a 5.5.

  • Stevo says:

    Owen was offside, he was in the penalty box everyone else was outside it, offside.
    Everyone played well but Sagna lets the opposition get too close to him too often before kicking the ball, Clichy backs into the penalty box too much instead of closing down the winger. Personally I thought Ramsey should have stayed with us after his Forest spell and played in the cup games against Leeds Huddersfield Ipswich and Orient. I think he would have been match fit for us quicker. Arshavin should have started Nasri has looked tired since the Barca games

    • Barnet Gooner says:

      It wasn’t owen who was offside in this incident but it was Berbatov who was offside and if you look at it again you’ll see he was clearly interferring with the play as he shielded (obstructed) our defender from heading the pass before it reached the box.

  • julian says:

    I think your assessment of Arshavin being lazy is way off. Without him I’m convinced the team would have wilted under pressure. The guy made close to 10 tackles coming on and did a great job, as he always does coming off the bench.

    People give him too much stick, for me he must stay at Arsenal. Exemplifies the attitude and what it takes to win much more than the likes of Fabregas. He shows quality and desire. Top top player.

    • Chris says:

      In fact I praised Andrey’s commitment mate.

    • Charlie says:

      That is true for the most part. There was one moment that confused me though. Van Persie had the ball out wide and rather than make a run Andrey was standing off the pitch not wanting to have the ball. If he’d made a run it would’ve been 3 vs around the box. It’s not the first time. Does anyone know what i’m talking about and can anyone explain it ?

  • Davi says:

    “today’s game proved wrong two theories of why we are not winning anything: referee decisions and the financial power of the other teams. And that’s because we won a game in which a number of referee decisions went against us”

    Chris – we’ve done this all season, beaten teams when the refs have been against us. Eventually the pressure does tell. The great wenger sides also had to deal with this, and as good as they were, they were only able to overcome it every 2 or 3 seasons. Just because we faced it and beat utd in one game doesn’t meant that referees aren’t contributing to our lack of success. We dropped 2 points against liverpool and 2 points against newcastle almost entirely because of referee decisions, and it seems to have become the norm that two or three clear yellow card offences, that is clearly deliberate or dangerous fouls, will go unpunished (not even a foul) in games, and this is unacceptable.
    Also, the great wenger sides were able to overcome this handicap on occasion because the difference between what we could spend and what Utd could spend wasn’t that great, so there is a link there.

    I don’t think that anyone is saying that either bad referees or lack of financial power are the ONLY reason for our failure to win something, I think everybody sees these issues as contributing factors to some degree, but the disagreement is over how large a contributing factor each issue is. I do agree that with a few tweaks the bulk of the current squad are capable of winning things, without spending big money, but that doesn’t mean I’m happy just to accept the fact that we are hard done by by referees, while our major rivals are treated so unbelievably kindly. ELEVEN red cards they’ve avoided this year, at least. They are allowed to do whatever they want on the pitch and refs refuse to punish them. This means that we don’t just have to be better, we have to be A LOT better than them (mentally) if we want to have any chance of winning the league, and it’s just not an acceptable situation.

    Good ratings btw, Chris. I thought song was a bit better than 7 because he basically shut rooney down and was the reason we were able to handle them so easily, although clichy finally getting to grips with nani was a big help, as you said. Song was motm imo. Wenger should keep him in this more withdrawn role as it is clearly his best position.
    Great to see ramsey playing so well again. I didn’t realise he had that much pace and his movement off the ball is much better than I thought. Looking forward to seeing him get more game-time next season.

  • Arsene knows says:

    We all know our problems & the players not good enough & who we want in the summer BUT we just beat the league leaders & champions elect & champions league finalists, we outplayed em & outfought em… We will finish higher than last season & ahead of manshity who spent hundreds of millions… Give arsene some credit as well as the stick he deserves…. He will sort it in the summer & win the league in our 125th year…. All the AMG have all gone quiet willing us to lose, some fans!

    • Paul says:

      AW knows how to transform a professional club into a professional youth acadamy, I wouldn’t read much more into today’s result. Manu has been awful much of the season and yet is higher in the table and gone further in more competitions. Enjoy the moment, yes, but AFC has and continues to make severe blunders in overall direction. This late in the season the point totals of the top clubs are all relatively low.

  • serge says:

    good ratings chris, but you were clearly blinded by ramseys goal 8.5!
    biggest joke rating this season, yes he scored, yes he is the future, but he was anonymous the entire game it was evident the way our plays were going nowhere and he misplaced a simple pass 14 times YES I COUNTED!
    6.5 it should be, even though he showed some potential signs.

    • Davi says:

      Bit harsh. Ramsey was always moving and making himself available which is something we lack at times. He did much more than just score a goal. He, jack and song fought hard and owned that midfield today.

    • Nabil Danial says:

      I think you watch the wrong match mate, in fact Ramsey had 60 passes (most of all players in the match) and 92 % pass completion rate (second in the match, behind Squillaci who only have 3 passes). So, clearly he deserves 8.5. Am I right Chris?

      • Chris says:

        Let’s all agree on 7.75 :)

        • Nabil Danial says:

          No, probably 7.76 is more accurate.

  • Ofer says:

    I thought United were poor today. Ferguson went with 4-4-2 and lost the game in midfield.
    Song was immense – kept Rooney in his pocket and got him annoyed and not focused.

    After the goal we had two more chances to close the game but we didn’t take them.
    For me the season was lost at Newcastle. This was a pivotal moment and Wenger and Fabregas are to blame. Wasting 4-0 lead is bordering a crime. The team never recovered from this nightmare.
    Is there a chance for us this season for the title? I believe there is a slim one. Next week we can beat Stoke and Chelsea-ManU will end 0-0. It will be a 4 points lead. Maybe, just maybe, we can win our last three games and United will draw two and lose one (Blackpool?).

    Next year I expect Fabregas, Denilson and Almunia to leave. New goalie (not #1 choice) and new centre-back to join. Traore will be back from Juve to fight for left-back and Vela will back back in contention for left wing. The rest of the team will be unchanged.

    • Davi says:

      You forget the returning lansbury, coquelin and botelho who have all had very good seasons on loan and could be fighting for a place next season. Then there’s frimpong who could have forced his way in this season.

      • Nabil Danial says:

        Ryo Miyaichi anyone?

        • Davi says:

          Not sure about him yet. He obviously has a lot of talent, but I think if he started in the PL now he would look like walcott when he first joined and would get shoved off the ball far too easily. I think he’ll be in holland for at least a couple more seasons so that he can get his EU status and by the end of that I think he’ll be a brilliant player.

          • Hunter says:

            I don’t think he is ready to start but he would be excellent impact player to run at defenses in the last 15 minutes of a match.

            • SeattleGooner says:

              I’ve watched a couple of feyenoord games this year, to keep tabs on Ryo. Trying to play him in the epl next year is a poor idea. He’s not ready physically for the epl. Give him a year or more to grow, he will be quality. Ryo already plays a beautiful final ball, and at his age is already one of the best technical players on feyenoord. Physically though he struggles.

    • montreal gooner says:

      Ofer ,

      arsenal first team is excellent , comparable to man utd . the problem is when some of these guys are not available , the back up are not good enough ( the denilson , bendtner , rosicky…).
      second , our previous goaler is not good , too many mistakes
      third , overall our guys are not physical and lower teams are very physical.
      with so much fan discontent , aw will have to do something this summer . also , as it is , our team is still very young so they will get better year after year .

  • topemagnus says:

    it is shocking at times when i read on blogs like this when people just keep calling for clichy’s head and all praising sagna, not saying sagna is not a good RB bt do anyone always consider that it is more easier to have a good RW opponent playing against clichy than to get a LW opponent playing against sagna because left footers are scarce and mostly poor players except for some outstanding ones which a matter of 1 out of 10

  • paris86 says:

    Clichy – first time he won the personal dual against Nani
    that’s actually not true cuz he was doing it at old trafford when we lost 1-0, he has won a challenge against him quite some times there!

    Djourou – failed to challenge Vidic from a corner
    well, actually vidić pushed him, which should have been a foul, but vidić got away with it again…

    • Nabil Danial says:

      +1

  • Anyone has arsene wenger phone number ?
    i want call he and tell he to teach Wilshere how to shoot …
    Cesc ? i swear ,he almost every single game he hit the post!
    kind of post god ..

    • Nabil Danial says:

      here it is: 66-3198-9945

  • Anyone has arsene wenger phone number ?
    i want call he and tell he to teach Wilshere how to shoot …
    Cesc ? i swear ,he almost every single game he hit the post!
    kind of post god ..

  • james says:

    Sadly, games like this only bring me regret and apprehension because Arsene might hold back on a number of decisions he’ still meant to make to take us to where we belong.
    Thankfully, we didn’t play with any muppet today so there’s none of them that can in a way take credit for this victory- a lot of people pan Alex Song but let’s be honest, that dude has either played badly when he’s fighting through a knee injury or given his all this season. I still don’t want Cesc to go; I understand quality and what he has is something special without the stop-start seasons he’s been having as a result of that muscle injury.
    In a better light, the future does still remain possible bright but quality and experience are needed in some areas, let’s get the right people in.

  • jason says:

    Amazing peformance and a great game. It was nice cause just before i read a news article of Sagna saying its not the Managers fault but ours I do believe that win was for Wenger as well as themselves.

    ps why didnt Cesc start exactly?

    This game gives me faith that we can manage without Cesc.

    • Jibzi says:

      Cesc was injured and its likely that he will miss the next three games as well, although its not a big deal as we’re out the title race anyway.

      I wouldnt say that we can manage without Cesc because he is still our best player as he orchestrates the play and makes difficult passes look easy. On the flip side, he shouldnt be captain IMO as he doesnt possess leadership skills. Check out when we lost 2-1 to the spuds at WHL last season, where we were crumbling at one point, Sol Campbell was rallying the troops and clapping his hands, trying to lift the players moods and I feel that when things get tough, Cesc cannot provide that psychological boost to his other team-mates.

      What do you reckon mate?

      • Charlie says:

        I know you weren’t asking me but i reckon he’s not injured at all. I reckon Cesc and Wenger have had a falling out over comments both have made in the press recently. I also don’t think Cesc is helpful to the team any more and believe many of the recent results are due to his poor direct passing. Regularly against Bolton he tried to thread the ball through the eye of a needle but made a poor pass straight to their defense cheeply sacrificing posession. Whether it is due to him wanting to play for Barcelona, problems fully recovering from the injury or just too much pressure he has not been anywhere close to his best all season. A Cesc playing at 50% is no use to Arsenal and definitely not a good choice as captain. Victory in the final three games without him will prove that.

        • D.j. says:

          My friend (also a gooner) was telling me about how he apparently broke up with his girlfriend or something…?

    • Fonz678 says:

      The concern i have with Cesc included is that as pointed out before, the team tends to be overly centralised on Fab himself. He becomes the central hub, in which case the teams general play tends to get predictable and possibly less dimensional in a way.

      He’is ofcourse a brilliant player (nowhere close to his best this season), if hes included and he plays brilliantly, were ok. But if hes under par,’which he has been recently, the team doesnt have other threatening avenues. Its like the players shift the responsibility to Cesc solely rather than taking responsibility themselves when hes playing.

      Look at Ramsey and Wilshere working together it was brillaint to watch, seriously i think for this team to be consistent we need to avoid making Cesc the be all and end all, we cant expect him to be outstanding every single week. And the team cant base its foundation on one player to this degree, the foundation will crumble when he doesnt play well.

      We beat the league leaders for the first time in a while without Cesc. This game is proof enough that we can perform extremely well without him. If his mind is set on Barca, why keep a player against his will, let him go. He’s been great for this club, but when its time, its time. If his heart is at Arsenal (which is doubtful) then ofcourse hold on to him, but ease the pressure on him and let the other players take up more influential roles.

  • Gunnerrob says:

    We played well against a poor Man United and deserved our victory, such a shame we didn’t have the composure to beat Bolton last week when the pressure was on, today’s result might have been so much more important to us. It’s been a frustrating season, frustrating because there are now so many positives in the current Arsenal squad, we just lack that little bit of mental strength (when the pressure is on), that would have allowed us to win the title this year at a canter. 

    But having said all that I’m still a huge supporter of Arsene Wenger and our policy of developing youth, as are the the vast majority of Arsenal fans. All we need to become the very best is a bit more experience to back up Song and a striker to back up RVP. A mentally strong player just in front of the defence who can verbally organise players is the missing magic ingredient. Someone with composure, who doesn’t flap in the final 5 minutes of games would be the difference between finishing with 70 points instead of 90 points which is where we should be.

    Next season, if we add a bit of experience to this overflowing wealth of talent that Wenger has been patiently piecing together, we’ll be a major force, a team to be feared.

    Wenger made a good point today, he said :

    “I feel it is important for the Club that we keep faith in what we do. You can see that the players grow when they get the chance to play. Like Szczesny, for example, you can see already that compared to two months ago, he has already grown. It is a law in our game that you can only grow, at some stage, if you play. So people want both, they want to win every game and they want us to produce quality young players. But if Wilshere has grown this season it is because he played. But on the other hand, if you do not win, people say, ‘why do you play young players?”

    I couldn’t agree more, there was a clamour from certain fans to go out and buy a goalkeeper (January window), when we had the solution in our squad already, Szczesny has grown massively in the last 4 months and he gives off an air of authority and confidence, he will only get better and could be an Arsenal legend, I’m so pleased Wenger didn’t panic  buy a keeper. Wilshire and Ramsey are two others that are the future of Arsenal who have been given the chance to shine. Next season we will see more of the same with the inclusion of Ryo and Frimpong. So, in summary, Wenger is 90% on the right lines, we just need 1 experienced defensive midfielder, get rid of some of the deadwood, maybe add a new striker and we’ll dominate for the next decade.  

    • tommy says:

      Not until we concede less than 56% of our goals from set pieces. And our defence is not as inexperienced as other areas of the pitch. It was a problem last season with TV5 too. We need to defend set pieces better as a team. I don’t know if it’s the central defenders or a zonal marking system,but as long as we are the worst in the EPL at defending set pieces we won’t be a force, period

  • tommy says:

    We have to remember that United were coming here after a mid-week CL match, when historically they have been quite average in the past in similar situations. We played well, yes. But the pressure is off now, isn’t it? Even with today’s result we are still statistically the worst team in the EPL at defending set pieces. And having Vermaelen back next season will not solve this well enough. I’m not trying to be a downer but I’m still hoping Wenger makes a statement this summer and brings in some serious players. Surely he can’t see today as evidence that we’ve turned some kind of corner and don’t need help.

    • Gunnerrob says:

      what percentage of goals have we conceded from set pieces since Szczsney has been in goal? We’ve had 4 goalkeepers this season Almunia is terrible at set pieces, Fabianski is not great but slightly better, but Szczsney looks much more authoritative, he’s also tall and is very verbal. The defenders seem to be more confident when he’s in goal. I’m not saying he’s perfect yet, but he’s taken his chance with both hands and has earned his right to be our no.1. I think he’s making a big difference with set pieces and Arsenal will be stronger because of it in future seasons.

  • Jibzi says:

    Great result, but its such a shame that it should have enhanced our title challenge rather than Chelski’s, but anyway will be great if ManUre are knocked off top spot.

    I think collectively we made some unforced errors, such as misplaced passes, or holding onto the ball for too long, and its obviously good for forwards when crosses are put into the box but if you are looking for one target man against Rio and Vidic, then its going to be difficult to score from aerial crosses so perhaps maybe putting the ball in along the ground or pulling the ball back (ie for Rambo’s goal) would have been better.

    Just want to also mention Wojiech’s kicking, into the last phase of the game, where he kept booting it straight to VDS at the other end where ManUre could quickly rebuild made me jittery and he would be better off kicking it out for a throw in (deep in the other half of course).

    But I have to say on the whole, we were excellent and looked up for it. Song was all over Rooney and made him drop deeper and deeper, Jack and Rambo did well and fantastic commitment from Arshavin…every time he made those tackles, the crowd made the biggest roar and it inspired the whole team. There were times I noticed as well that when ManUre were launching a counter attack, our players made sure, even if it meant fouling them, that they didnt get away easily.

    Its so amazing hearing Red Nose Fergie complaining that decisions go against them and his daft view that our penalty claim was tougher compared to Owen’s claim (not saying Owen dived or not, but he did con the ref back in WC2002 against Argentina). Vidic seems to get away with murder time and time again, as does Shrek (Rooney), and in a few matches in losing/drawing positions, they somehow get 5-6mins extra time so perhaps next week will be when they really get a stinker of a decision against Chelski and will moan about it like crazy.

    We shall see.

  • TheIceManCometh says:

    It was a wonderful performance today; as I have said before, this team has out-played United in previous games, only to get the short end of the stick (e.g. Rooney’s dubious penalty last year). The difference was that Arsenal got the goal, maintained composure, and the ref didn’t allow any howlers (such as the penalty shouts) when it mattered. That doesn’t discount the referee factor in Arsenal’s poor performances (the 2nd Newcastle game was ref mistake after mistake); the difference today was that team had no pressure and just went for it (Vidic’s sending off would have been nice, though). In the course of a season, those ref mistakes add up, and certain teams benefit (United) and others don’t. I don’t expect United to beat Chelsea (mid-week game and poor run as of late), so the title race may come down to the last week. And, this might sound odd, but Cesc’s “injury” may have been a blessing in disguise. For some reason I don’t think we win with Cesc out there today; Aaron bossed the mid-field by not pressing up the field too much, and maintaining a fairly central position. Cesc would’ve been all over the place today. While saying that, Cesc is still world class, and I wouldn’t trade him for anyone in the midfield, it’s just that his tendency to pay as an attacking midfielder would have played into United’s strategy.

    • TheIceManCometh says:

      Also, Wojiech is our undisputed goalie; anyone who can’t see this is either blind or just wants Arsene to buy a goalie just for the sake of saying we bought a goalie.

  • Chris Chapman says:

    Hi Chris. Think your ratings pretty much on. Maybe 8.00 for Ramsey??
    One thing I observed today was the impressive command and organisation of Wojciech Szczesny. Being young and inexperienced he has come in for some stick, but I get the impression, along with his swagger and self confidence, he is a very smart young man. I have a suspicion that he is taking advantage of Jen’s pressence and learning fast. I firmly believe that he is growing with every game. You could not fault one thing he did today. (In fact he was almost like the Captain out there). No need for another keeper he is #1 in my books and I agree with an earlier comment ..he will go on to become an Arsenal legend. Bob Wilson thinks so too!!

  • willliammm says:

    The way we beat barca, chelsea and united this year was just amazing.. We need that kind of attitude and spirit in every game next season.

    Walcott should play at the left wing, its easier for him to dribble the ball and score there, he is right footed! Right footed player scores more from the left position!! Look at how thierry henry scored before, passed the defender, beat the offside trap and score, as simple as that.

    • Frankie boy says:

      yeah that is a valid point, only negative point is walcotts left peg is not great, so the defender would always know that walcott would cut inside for the shot, but if he improved his left peg and could cross with it, then he would be a hantastic left winger.

  • David Sutasurya says:

    Optimist come in full force ! wellcome boys !
    Just want to remind myself and everybody here that a good fans will keep delivering positive energy in the best or worst situation !
    If not, we are only part of the problem.

    Last 15 minute is a big test for the team, since they seem will did the same mistake again ! loosing lead at the last part of the game.

    This team dont have big problem in quality but in mentality. Something they need to work on the player subconcious mind. We need to produce a team that have enough maturity and character to beat the most defensive dirty team and the worst referee !

    and I think the fans have problem in their subconcious mind and character too !!!

    (still hope W will bring at least a strong CB next year)

  • matt says:

    RAMBORAMBORAMBORAMBO

    Maybe this will help dispel some suspicions that the other big clubs always beat us, because as far as I know we’re doing decently this year against them! Unbeaten to the big clubs in the league in 2011, only defeat was FA Cup to Man U, and we should have beaten City and Liverpool also.

    OH AND CHESNEY GOOD BOY, ANDREY I NEVER KNEW YE, YOU SHOULD BE OUR BACKUP LEFT BACK

    Fergie can whine all he wants, he always does, but in the end he knows he got away with it and that he should have been down 2-0. THIS IS ARSENE TIME

  • Charlie says:

    Szchezny is such a brilliant goalie. Nobody mentioned that this was THE YOUNGEST TEAM SELECTION OF ANY CLUB IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE ALL YEAR and they beat United. If that’s not promising for the future i don’t know what is. Clichy let a couple of dangerous crosses come accross and did give away a penalty against Owen which was only waved away because the ref knew that he made a mistake earlier. I still think Clichy needs to be replaced and i’d give him a 6 for this game. Sagna on the other hand rarely lets his man get a cross in and never (touch-wood) makes a serious mistake such as giving away a penalty. Kos was ok but wasn’t always in control, he got lucky a couple of times. I think Wilshere deserves better for the simple reason that they kept Rooney quiet all match. Arsene knew that if you stop Rooney you seriously diminish the threat of United but with him dropping back into midfield the midfield needed to be on top form to keep him quiet. Final word, anyone else think that Fabs mysterious injury might coincide with an argument sparked off by Wenger saying that he couldn’t handle the pressure ? I think Arsenal are better with the more direct approach and better defensive ability of Ramsey. Plus it must be of benefit to the players not having a captain on the pitch who is dreaming of greener pastures.

  • buffalogunner says:

    love the performance today. this team is not far away from being able to win the title. there isnt another team with the kind of technical ability that arsenal has. the defensive mentality needs to be changed. we are just too fragile in the back and don’t have the kind of cb that will do anything and everything in his power to win the ball. find one of those to play along side TV and maybe upgrade the players on the bench (denilson, rosicky, diaby, bendtner) and this team instantly becomes a favorite to win the league. it will be amazing the difference that one player in the back with that kind of mentality will do to the mentality of the rest of the squad

  • Aussie Jack says:

    Looking at the stats on the BBC Sports report it suggests United had more possession ,set pieces, and shots on target. I only saw the first half but I put Arsenal at least 60 to 40 in front, they gave United very little ball.
    To watch Arsenal play football is a sheer delight, if only they could find a way to put it in the net, there is something wrong with our attack.
    Based on what we saw I can only repeat we need a partner for Vermaelen and one for Van Persie, the rest will do fine we don`t need more, just exit the deadwood to ease the costs and I have to say we did very well without Fabregas.

  • Hunter says:

    I am not going to critique any of our players today. Of course there were some things we could have done better but we showed some heart and determination that hasn’t been around many times this season.

    Tactically I think we did much better (there are still some moments where I thought we would conceded when United had a man up on the counter) and the substitutions from Arsene were probably the best of the season.

    In midfield we outplayed United for the entire match and that was extremely pleasing to see. Imagine how for along Aaron would be if he had not had the injury.

    • SeattleGooner says:

      Cant tell you how nice it was to see EBOUE not Bendtner come on for the tactical sub.

      arsene actually made the smart move adding a defender.

  • oz_gooner says:

    I think you overrated Clichy.. He did ok and probably won the battle overall.. His work rate you usually cant fault but he blunders too often with his passing and positioning when under slight pressure.. If in doubt just kick it long to the wings gael.

    His advancement on the left wing leaves you with no confidence at all and you can tell he just doesnt want to cross the ball because he knows he just cant.

    He was too easily outbussled by a much younger rafael which proves clichys strength is a real concern.

    Arshavin is in the same league as well..Too easily knocked off his feet and you gave him a 7.5 for doing what exactly? making an effort for once to be defensive..??

    I love what arshavin can do when he is on.. But this guy just wasnt made for english football. Another player not worth keeping.

    • Hunter says:

      Arshavin made 7 tackles and all of them were successful according to Opta. That is more than anyone in the United midfield.

      • oz_gooner says:

        7 tackles doesnt earn you a 7.5 dude.. Creatively up forward he did nothing.. I wish he was this eager every week to put in a tackle and do some defensive duities..But 1 game out of how many proves nothing to me.

  • Canuck Gooner says:

    Let us bask in this victory over M.U. What a great feeling. I love the gall of SAF to say that Chelsea got good ref decisions against Spurs, but they didn’t today complaining about the knock by Clichy against Owen. What a crock. Forgetting Vidic’s magic hand are we? Plus I guarantee you: any game and I mean any game with Man U refereed by Howard Webb ends in victory for Man U. I have always been of the opinion that the ref is human and that its part of the game. But having match after match decided/ruined by dodgy decisisons is killing the game. 1- video technology: the time has come. 2- Stop yapping after every little call that goes against you. It’s annoying you spoilt brat! You yap: yellow, yap again: red. 3- Someone else said this and I couldn’t agree more: you injure a player (I’m looking at you Ryan Shawcross) you sit out as long as the player you injured does and without compensation. I don’t mind physical play, not at all, its part of the game, but ruthless stupid leg breaking has got to stop.
    Sorry for the rant just wanted to get that off my chest. Go Gunners!!

  • megh says:

    that’s the thing! we’re “second to none” yet we always fall short of victories! to be honest no one is to blame. It’s just the fact that we have no luck whatsoever

  • Tacklr says:

    We would have been on top if Chesney was playing all the games this year. Forget points dropped against Newcastle, Spurs, Blackburn, Liverpool and Manure. With him in goal, we could have won against WBA (home and away), Newcastle (home), Liverpool (away). That’s 10 points dropped because of silly Manuel decisions.

  • Slugboy says:

    Great result. My ratings:

    Sczesney 8 (some great saves)
    Sagna 7.5 (very steady)
    Kos 8 (great interceptions and good runs forward)
    Djorou 7 (good wins in the air, but defending from crosses was patchy) (squill 7)
    Clichy 7 (better going forward, but lost his marker on crosses)
    Theo 6 (some good crosses, but faded) (Eboue 6, meh)
    Ramsey 8.5 (great performance, add strength to the midfield and not afraid to shoot)
    Song 8.5 (stopped a lot of man u attacks)
    Wilshire 6 (lots of misplaced passes and got caught in possession a bit)
    Nasri 6 (not his best) (Arshavin 7) (good to see some defensive work, but didn’t do too much offensively)
    RVP 6 (should not take our freekicks and poor positioning for crosses)

    great day!

  • yonald says:

    Glad to see that Wenger’s head is in the right frame, instead of playing Denilson, he chose Ramsey. What a great life lesson from last year, and even better, he left Denilson in the reserves. Thumbs up Wenger for the victory!

  • Haris says:

    Chris , you gave Arshavin a 7.5??? really??? I would give him only a 6.

    He made one good tackle , one good sprint…..and thats enough to say that he was better then Song , van Persie….

    I understand that he is lazy and when he runs back and helps it is a joy to watch , its the same with me but lets be honest that is not enough.

    If you ask me , he has past his prime…he should leave and I`m confident that he will leave because if he stays and remain our first sub for the wings then we will not win anything next year too.

    We need wingers…we have only 2.

    I know its not the time to talk about this but our season is over so why not give any suggestions.

    we need 2 new wings and to sell Arshavin.

    Hazard and Miyachi or Chamberlain….

    Agreed about everything else…and maybe Jack deserved at least a 7.

  • cejr79 says:

    I had a “debate” with my mate down the pub just over a week ago (before the Bolton game fiasco). He was saying that he’d be happy if we cashed in on Fabregas this summer. I was saying we needed at least one more season out of him to allow Ramsey time integrate into the team. My mate also pointed out Fabs dodgy Hams and his prone for injury. “Sell him whilst we can still get good money”.

    Well, after yesterday’s performance I have to hold my hands up and agree with him. Ramsey, Wilshere and Song played a cracker. Great commitment and fluidity. We can argue how what rating Ramsey deserves for hours, yes he misplaced passes, conceded some fouls in dodgy areas etc etc, but it’s insignificant. We won and Ramsey/Wilshere will only get better. Through Frimpong into the mix and I’m positively beaming!

    Now, onto our defence. Koscielny has had a hard time on this site. I’ve defended him before and have been shot done for it. But lets just look at our season. It’s his first Premiership season. He is young in terms of standout CB’s. He hasn’t been given the opportunity to develop a proper partnership with anyone as injury has always forced the line-up to change.. His workrate cannot be denied and his commitment to challenge is also excellent. I believe he just needs leadership. AND Squillaci just isn’t good enough.

    Djourou has been great but clearly hasn’t recovered from his shoulder. But with Vermaelen coming back into the team things look good. I’m hoping Vermaelen can take the lead back there. With someone bossing the backline and keeping Koscielny in toe I truly believe they can be awesome.

    No pressure on Vermaelen then.

    ps. It’s good to see no ones calling for Wengers resignation this week.

    • daniel frawley says:

      great to see good blogs and views. brill result for arsenal .it makes the lge goes on 4 another week or 2.we done chalsea a big favour.next weekend should be interestin.chelsea v man u.andarsenal v stoke.ref was fair 2 say the least,

    • D.j. says:

      I really hope that Koscielny can like develop into a Vidic-like figure for us….He still has alot more time to do so.

      He can clearly pull off a great job when at certain times (Barca at home anyone?).

  • Samuel says:

    Yet more evidence of refereeing ineptitude in the Premier League;West Ham at home to Trash.United Vidic pulls Cole(Carlton)from the waist to prevent Cole from scoring the Hammers 3rd and killer goal ,last defender between the goals ,a straight red card but no Koscielny does the supposedly same thing when his out on the wing almost on the touchline the player,was it vs Wigan,i can,t remember can,t match Koscielny for pace dives Koscielny gets a straight red card,supposedly last defender,but the diving player still has to go across and infileld to score with Arsenal defender covering,so who,s fooling who ?

    • Frankie boy says:

      Exactly Refs need to be responsible for their decsions and actions,not be god like. i f refs got punished for incorrect calls, then see how fast video technology comes in the game.

  • Mark says:

    crap, crap, crap!
    clichy and sagna had games that aren’t acceptable for arsenal players. for clichy, too many lapses in concentration and indecisiveness. for sagna, needs to improve his dribbling ability so that he can dribble defenses; sagna is inept at this.
    koscielny, not sure why everyone is rating him so highly. he made a few near-critical mistakes defensively: let hernandez ghost in too easily for the near-goal header; and he also over-committed (a problem of his that he needs to work on) on a player (either nani or valence, can’t remember) that led to a great chance for Man U but for Sagnas intervention to clear the ball away. credit to sagna for this decisive bit of defending.
    kosch – 6
    clichy – 6
    sagna – 5.5 (gota improve his dribbling)
    Arshavin was great from a defensive point of view, but pretty useless when he had the ball.

    Song, Ramsey and Wilshere were outstanding.

  • soushio says:

    ESPN–Arsenal win 1-0 to Man Utd
    CNN–Osama bin Laden is dead

    What a jolly good way to start the week!

    Aaron was freaking amazing, considering he hadn’t played a lot for quite some time! And especially near the end (?) I think we all caught a glimpse of the bright beacon of hope that is our future midfield. And although I have to say I’ve seen Chesney challenged more before, he did well today.
    The ref was crap full-stop. I want video technology, Blatter.

  • Ofer says:

    Now for next week -

    Ramsey to re-visit Stoke and meet Shawcross again.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful for Aron to score the winning goal there to be followed by 0-0 at OT?

  • nyanguge says:

    we dont need any strikers this summer. Nb52,chamack, and rvp are more than sufficient. Chamack nd rvp is one of the most lethal partnerships in europe potentially. Chamakh needs some confidence instilled in him by the manager, ie: more game time. Ofcourse hes losing confidence and playing the simple ball these days instead of going for goal simply because of a lack of faith from the manager who gives him just a couple of minutes these days. We musnt forget his ability, if not for him we wouldnt even be third at the moment. And as for rvp, hes just genius. Lets not go out and splash money on an edin dzeko, who like the names im hearing linked with us like lukaku or falcao was great in their former club but how many goals has he bagged for city?

  • nyanguge says:

    And cesc is a wanker, we play better without him. He can go sit on the barca bench.

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