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Momentum, What Momentum?

Written by Jeff Patterson on August 29, 2011 – 8:00

The Gunning Hawk - ForumOld Trafford, Manchester

There’s no way to sugarcoat yesterday’s performance. Looking at the positive’s (if you can find any at all), is a rather pointless exercise after your club is thoroughly humiliated by what was once considered to be our rivals.

And no, I don’t consider Manchester United to be Arsenal’s rival anymore. How can you? United was simply a class above today. If your keeping score at home, the class Manchester United are in should be labeled “Title Contender.” Feel free to file Arsenal under anything from “Best of the Rest,” to “Work in Progress,” or even “Utter Failures.”

How proud everyone at Highbury House must be, knowing that Arsenal have celebrated their 125th Anniversary with their worst loss in 110 years. ONE HUNDRED AND TEN YEARS. That’s how long it’s been since Arsenal last conceded 8 goals. Maybe we should go ahead and remove the “FORWARD” slogan from the Anniversary badge. “BACKWARD” might be a more fitting promise, because that seems to be where Arsene’s squad are heading.

I want to be fair to the players, and point out what a poor situation they are being subject to. Breaking into the first team at Arsenal used to mean you were joining a squad of established stars, and proven winners. Now it just means there is a decent chance that half of the starting lineup is younger than you!

These players don’t deserve to be thrown to the wolves like this, and what can we fans expect? Carl Jenkinson certainly looked out of his element yesterday, but what can you expect from a 19-year-old kid with NO premier league experience, and only ONE HALF a season of LEAGUE football altogether? The fact that Carl Jenkinson has played so major a role already this season is criminal.

Look at Danny Welbeck, who was sensational yesterday. Sir Alex didn’t just pluck him out of League One and toss him into the starting lineup. He payed his dues, first with a loan at Preston North End, and then last season, with a great loan spell in the Premiership for Sunderland. At the age of 20, Welbeck joins the Manchester United roster, as not only a promising youth, but a youth with Premier League experience.

There is no due-paying at Arsenal. 18-year-olds are bought and lured to North London by promises of playing time, and Arsenal fans are made to suffer their growing pains, when any proper side would loan them out to mid-table and bottom clubs, so that OTHER clubs can suffer the growing pains, not Arsenal.

Anyway, that’s all for me today, but I suspect I will be have more time to reflect on this debacle, especially with a 2 week layoff for international friendlies (HOORAY!).

As always, feel free to leave me your thoughts, either in the comments section or on the forum. You can also follow me on Twitter @jJeffPatterson, for more of my random thought’s about Arsenal.

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  • Cameron says:

    Good point on Welbeck. I feel so sorry for Jenkinson he has done so well but to be placed against Ashley Young, Nani and Wayne Rooney is awful for any defender. We didn’t have anyone to protect the back four they were just exposed. Man United scored some amazing goals but were given so much time on the ball.

    These players weren’t good enough last year, Rosicky, Arshavin, Chamakh, traore/ Gibbs, Djouro, Koscielny, these are players who struggled at the end of last season who gave us 2 wins out of 10 games, who couldnt beat birmingham, who had to get through via replays against lower leaague sides. They arent any better now that Nasri and Fabregas are gone.

    The final kick in the teeth is that Arsene is saying he will spend what ever amount on the right player. Our big Striker signing looks to be a 4m striker from monaco who got relegated with the impressive goal scoring record of 10 a season on average in the french league…

    • Bob the Gunner says:

      To be fair, Jenkinson would not have played if it wasn’t for Sagna’s virus infection.
      I do however think that the absence of Eboue was greatly felt.

  • uz says:

    Great comment,but i dont hear people clamoring for AW to be sacked.He has failed and like you said,those kids dont deserve to be thrown to the wolves just yet.
    He is lacking great players because he has sold all of them and made so much money for the board.We the fans feel so sad are are always heart broken.They smile as their pockects get fatter while they assure AW that as you sell them and make money for us,we will continue to endorse you till eternity! what a shame.What a shame.All board members should bury their heads in shame.The score line is 8-2.This is arsenals worst defeat coming at the begining of the season!
    Mr AW,if you are a man of dignity,you should resign and retire.You made a comment when the great jose munriho was beaten 5-1 by barca.But they still won a trophy and recovered well.Believe me if jose munriho was the manager of arsenal,he would have resigned long ago.He wants to be remembered in a great way.But you sir,will be remembered as the manager that suffered the worst defeat at arsenal.
    Even sir Alex says he cant imagine going 6 years at old trafford without a trophy!
    Mr wenger,where is your shame?where lies your pride as a man?To restore your dignity,you need to move on

  • 1gunner says:

    i swear to god that match has left me with a broken heart, and nothing can fix that, not even the title itself, i`m horribly hurt, and am afraid we are gonna have to endure for god knows how long, i can`t stand seeing arsenal go down this way and i won`t lie i have a huge respect for Arsene and i really hate to see him get humiliated that way, he doesn`t deserve this, but again this`s the path he chose, he`s been serving the board and not the fans, if there`s one thing that i can really take pride in after lastnight`s farce is the devotion of the fans………..northbankforever and long live arsenal no matter what,

  • Mic says:

    What is wrong with arsenal fans? The korean is supposed to be a back up striker… Do you expect arsenal to buy a 30mil striker as back up? Why was kos a bad player last season? Cos he made a mistake in the final of the CC like terry at the CL? Didn’t arsenal lose 6-1 to utd with viera,pires,wiltord,henry,lungberg,etc in the squad. Some of the world class players at arsenal then,wenger nurtured them from unknowns just like most of the players we have to what they became. Its embarrassing but as a fan you stand behind the manager and the team to give them support like the away fans did. Stop moaning and support the team. Win or lose,a gunner for life.

    • Mills says:

      Hard to talk like that after a defeat, but I think you are right, this is the time to shout louder and push our team on. Lets hope this is a kick in the knackers and we can move on from this to be a stronger, better team. My heart is broken today …. Come on the Gunners

    • GoonerSat says:

      Agreed, you learn more from losing than winning.

      • mike says:

        Does this mean if you lose all the time you will be infinetly knowledgable !

    • soccersurf says:

      YOU DONT GET IT! United had Berbatov and Hernandez to come off the bench. WHAT IF RVP gets injured? Then what, the Korean or Chamhak lead the line in the Champions League?! Or against Chelsea

      That will work…. right

      SIGH

    • Homer says:

      Mic, these aren’t arsenal supporters.
      They are adolescents who play too many video games and have their expectations set by the sheiks on the blue side of manchester.

      Its a shame really. These insolent kids, insulting AW – an undisputed footballing genius having a very bad start – and yet they themselves lack a basic, functional grasp of the English language.

      Arsenal supporters these days are a shamble. Disrespectful, childish, shortsighted wankers. No support, no faith, just finger pointing and crying like babies for a big FIFA style signing.

      Gunning Hawk is quite a decent blog. Sadly, its populated by fools. uz is is a perfect example.

      Ciao GH

  • Obi says:

    After losing 8 first team players,what do u expect?Arsenal,till death do us part.

    • chris from Cambridge says:

      What do we expect ? We expect Arsenal to organise like any other club in the whole world would organise when fielding a weakened team at a place like Old Trafford (with Howard Webb as referee).

      We expect a defensive game plan with attacking options on break aways.We expect to be well pleased with a 0 .. 0 draw. I do not expect Wenger to do as he always does which is to try to take them on with a fluent footballing wide open style (as against, say, Barcelona). Unfortunately Wenger knows no other game plan. He never changes tactics and hardly ever formation. As Paul Merson said … a lower league team would have been better set up at Old Trafford !!

      I really do not think Wenger knows how to judge the quality of a defender nor the drilling of a tight defensive unit.

      > He doesn’t pay £6m for, say, Enrique .. because he has Gibbs and Traore FFS.

      > He loses the title in the 1st half of last season via Almunia and Fabianski .. before arriving at a decent (3rd choice) goalkeeper.

      > He relies upon poor young Jenkinson who was in non league 6 months ago.

      > He still seems to imagine Djourou can defend – which he can’t !

      What doweI expect ? We expect a Manager who combines youth with experience / skill with strength / open play with set piece / purist poetry with guts.

      We are now in one hell of a mess but…. hey … I am sure the ‘ We Love Arsene ‘ people will have some ideas ???

    • Stuart says:

      and who were those 8, Diaby, Gibbs, Song, Sagna, Vermaelen, Wilshire, Gervinho, Bendtner. So out of those who is actually good enough for premiership football? About 4 of them and out of our starting line-up yesterday who was good enough for premiership football? About another 4 that leaves us 3 short even without a bench to back up!!! So don’t jump on Wengers excuse bandwagon, the simple answers are Arsenal are money grabbing skin flints who care nothing of success but only of money!!!!

      • USAGooner says:

        It’s actually nine players if you’re going to include Bendtner. Frimpong was also unavailable yesterday. He undoubtedly brings some much needed steel to the midfield and would have helped yesterday.

        • stuart says:

          And how many Minutes of Premiership or competitive football at this level has Frimpong played???
          you don’t even have to answer because I already know, so your point is?

        • stuart says:

          I paid roughly £6,000.00 for the last 5 seasons for club level seating, and I still stayed after the 6% rise to allow me and my 8yr old son to watch Arsenal, that’s a lot of money to find! my son is DIE HARD Arsenal and has now started to say he does not want to go! O.K rough with the smooth but imagine your son telling you that. All the things me and my boy have been through, he’s been a representative for junior gunners in the official photo and been in all the programs with the full Arsenal squad (2 years ago) he’s been picked for trials at Arsenal Academy but now at 8 years old he’s feeling the embarrassment that grown ups are feeling but being 8 he does not know how to deal with it, a bit like Wenger!!!!

    • soccersurf says:

      I WOULD AT LEAST EXPECT WENGER TO SWITCH TACTICS AT HALF TIME!!!!! Or put someone on the far post when Rooney takes his second free kick. NOPE – NOTHING

  • George Arrowsmith says:

    Nasri and Cesc have both been vindicated for leaving Arsenal .As one report says Arsenal have only one way of playing: passing all day with a high defence line.This is a recipe for
    a goal rush for counter attacking teams. This due to Wenger’s philosophy that football is an attacking game.He wont play anti soccer because it is immoral but it can win games.In other words rather than win by pretty soccer he would rather not play anti soccer.That is why the gunners can’t win the epl or cl as long as he doesn’t change his outlook.
    If this massacre doesn’t force him to change his ways,nothing sort of the sack will bring the gunners back to the top six.
    That is why the gunners find it hard to score because other teams play negative lyie defensive soccer. In the game ,Rooney and company were given time and space which they will find it hard against a pragmatic team manager.
    It’s time for Wenger to take his philosophy to the village level where he can indulge in his pattern weaving soccer.

    • chris from Cambridge says:

      I agree completely, well said. Sadly however I don’t believe Wenger is able to change.

  • nicky says:

    Momentum? That will come by Thursday of this week when the new blood will have signed. Then the squad will regroup, concentrate on intensive training and, by Christmas, we will have regained our correct position in the EPL. Wenger will be hailed as a transfer genius.

    • SeattleGooner says:

      Can I have some of whatever it is that your smoking?

      • jydeo says:

        ok!…that made my day:)

    • USAGooner says:

      Wow Nicky, I consider myself an optimist…but your outlook is a lot more rosey than I’m willing to dream about right now. I’m guessing we finish 5th or 6th in the table this year.

    • Scott (USA) says:

      I’ll have what he’s having.

  • marford says:

    I wonder if Arsenal is owned by Wenger alone? Or the money in his possession is it his personal money? Does it mean no one will have say in this situation Wenger has put himself? Or may be Wenger is not seeing what is going on in his club? Have they asked themselves , after this season will we be able to sell players to make more money since they have turn to selling club and can any club buy players that does not win matches? All these and more still keeps me sleepless night. Please who will help us call Wenger personaly and advice him to do his work.

  • lance (south africa) says:

    if you guys are arsenal for life or arsenal til death do us part , you will start a campaign to strike at the emirates. for how much longer are the fans willing to put up with this. wenger has turned from a hero to an arrogant b@stard who only cares about making profit for the club. have been supporting the club from 88 and have never seen such shambles at the club all because of 1 man who will not admit he is failing miserably in his job. first it was the refs , then the managers now its injuries and suspensions. injuries cost us bcos we dont have any depth suspensions due to your bad decisions as a manger to keep faith in players like song and kochiielny. out of desperation frimpong was thrown in at liverpool and his in experience cost us a red card. had we been leading at newcastle would gervinho have reacted in such a manner. all this problems at arsenal is due to 1 man Arsene Wenger. No in Arsene we dont trust and i wish he gets struck by lightning. I love Arsenal but hate Wenger.

    • Mills says:

      That is just quite pathetic, empty stadiums don’t help our team, they don’t push us forward, both Fab and Sam have made light of our poor support at home, that won’t make it better. You may dislike where we are and the loss we have just suffered, but don’t stop supporting the team as it will force more class out and give no relief to any of the players that are still there.

      • GoonerSat says:

        Thank You, more faith is what we need not less…

  • stantheman says:

    Crisis, what crisis? we made £60 million from Cesc & Nasri and how much did we make from Toure & Adebayor? aren’t we doing well? This was a result waiting to happen with the way that AW has weakened the team. We suspected that it was going to be bad, but not like this. What a disgrace for a great club (and indeed and institution) like Arsenal to end up in a state like this. Make no mistake, forget all other issues, this is entirely AW responsibility as the manager. Everything that happens on the pitch is down to him and he has systematically weakened the team in terms of strength and quality. I do not believe for one moment that he has been stopped by the board from replacing the players he has sold. He is held in extremely high regard and exerts a considerable amount of influence. What was his excuse after this calamity, the players, only the players. Where was his responsibilty in all of this??? I think he really owes the loyal supporters a big apology.

  • abdul says:

    My question is that is Wenger really a good coach? If yes, why is he always finding it dificult to beat big clubs especially man united and chelsea? Even when we had the likes of fabrigas and nasri. Why are arsenal players always having injuries or red card when it comes to playing against a big club like barca? Why can’t Wenger cope against a red card even when playing an average club like newcasle? Jose morinho was able to cope with a red card in a match between Inter and Barca and he won. Is arsen wenger a great coach as people claim?

    • Mills says:

      Really, don’t think it was the big teams we had problems with last season?

  • ola says:

    @ UZ, if jose had being sacked after madrid losing 5-1 to barca would he had copa de ray. I know everybody is hurt with humilation from yesterday match but things will get better.with 8 players out what do you expect. Things like that happen in life. Everybody will learn form this especially the board because they are sole responsible for all these. We should all stop believing that sells and buys players. It’s owner of the clubs that do this. It’s obvious Wenger didn’t want cecs to go as well as nasir. He is not the one responsible for the lost of mata to chelsea is our money grabbing board that refuse to amend our wage structure. Everybody is Wenger to do Harry, no is too loyal a man to do that. He won’t come to tell you this or that. He is a complete company man. Am very sure when he gets back to london he is going to Ivan and some useless board member i told you this is what going to be happening look. If we all fan thing he is not the right person to fix this problem at moment, please when you are asking for him to sacked mention any coach that replace and achieve of half of what he had achieved in the last six trophyless seasons under the same condition. No one i think, not even Alex, Jose etc. Common on support the boys and manager and boo the board.

    • motorman says:

      Carlo Ancellotti was sacked by Milan after winning them all the major italian honors including the champions league

  • crimsontide says:

    I’ve only been following the EPL for 18 months, I don’t think it’s too late to change allegiances.

    I might just become a Man U fan. Why? Because this club’s going nowhere.

    It’s not interested in success, it’s interested in survival and balancing the books. If Man U put out a performance like this, every player on the pitch would be dropped and replaced.

    I’d be happier seeing my team play negative, defensive 1-0 wins every week if it meant we won. Answer me this: What’s more entertaining? Attractive football or winning?

  • Emeke says:

    Wenger is tactically is very very poor. If Players like Fab,Nasri, Clichy, could lose faith in Wenger i don’t see how buying players can help Arsenal. Wenger is incompetent to manage big profile players,he could have moved to Madrid,but he had to stay where he could give all the excuss in the world. Well,it is obvious Arsenal will remain ordinary as long he is the manager. Mark my word, Van Persie is living Arsenal next year.

    • dink_arnold says:

      fab did not leave because he lost faith in wenger, that’s ridiculous.
      the only thing that was keeping fabregas here so long was his respect for wenger.
      i’m not sure about clichy, but nasri has never seemed to have much respect for anyone, he seems to have a problematic attitude.

      and i hope you’re right, it would be great if van persie lives arsenal not only next year, but the next several.

    • GoonerJM says:

      Funny how both Fab & Nas made statements stating their respect for Wenger. also when u say he is tactically is very very poor it show your knowledge of football is very very very poor.

  • Gerry Lennon says:

    True, there are very few positives … other than we will never play with so many lacking in experience … not even in the Carling Cup.

    One thing that the Nasri performance earlier showed was the myth that our defence was the problem last season. Nasri put in crosses because there were players in the box. The big complaint made against us time and again was that nobody bust a gut to get on the end of any crosses?

    Perversely, I think part of that problem lies with our best striker. Think back to last season. The goals were flowing while RVP was out of the side. Goals from many areas. He comes back and only one person has a decent strike rate, even in games we drew or lost.
    No! I am not saying it is RVP’s fault, or even more stupid, that we should sell him.
    It is more subtle than that. In trying to build the attack around him was a mistake with the players we had … Until now, that is. Gervinho looks like the one player who might make the difference. He is quick, dribbles, and can get in the box for a shot or a pass back for a Persie late run. It is a partnership that needs developing, but at least he is someone who can play with RVP?

    Yesterday, the moment we saw that back four, I think a minimal defeat was the best we could hope for? And at 3-1, with Coquelin growing into the game with his passing getting more assured, rather than the safe short stuff to Risicky, we may have halved the final score …

    I think any signings will be welcome, and please remember we have dropped 3 points to United away from home. The stats show that that is not unusual. Our season begins after the International break … I repeat, it STARTS then. It is not all over because of one result!

    One more positive to come from Nasri’s game …. Somebody there was not so pleased at not getting that service in the box, and even when he scored he was taken off shortly after. Not a happy bunny? The cracks will begin to show in that ‘team spirit’ sooner rather than later methinks?

  • M.V says:

    Not so many months ago arsenal beat them 1-0 at the emirates.

  • Paul says:

    The downward momentum, that one.

    • Scott (USA) says:

      In Arsenals last 10 Premier league games we have won one game. Momentum is going the other way for sure. That win was last season against Manu oddly enough.

  • Aussie Gooner Dave says:

    I’ve been an Arsenal supporter since I was a young boy in Australia watching Charlie George route Liverpool in 1971. Never, I repeat, Never have I seen a poorer squad than the one we have today. There is only one man that can take the blame….and I’m afraid the humiliation we suffered yesterday must have consequences.

  • wengers straightjacket says:

    ok the AKB question that seems to go unanswered: “who would replace him?”.
    Firstly we dont want a replacement for wenger we want someone totally different with a spirited winning mentality (its a subtle point)
    ok here goes: EX=PLAYERS that love this club (and there are loads of them to choose from)……How about the managers that once managed liverpool chelsea and man city?
    I am deliberately not giving names s the AKB attitude is just to criticise any manager that isnt wenger on some poor set of results they may have had years ago.
    The point that should be made is that Anyone is probably better than our sick manager. Look at his record since the carling cup?…also do you believe any manager in the top 6 would carry on employing a failure for a 7th season?. scraping into Champions league isnt good enough for arsenal…most of us believe we should be challenging at the very top throughout the season and making finals.
    He has lost the plot…transfers???? how inept do you have to be to be unable to negotiate properly with straight-forward people like owen coyle?
    And what about owen coyle as manager of arsenal….ask young JW what he thinks of him!

  • Tijjani Abdul says:

    Please and please someone should please tell me what is wenger doin by not featuring Ryo and Alex. They should have been included in such a match most especially Ryo. I know he would have done some good job in that match. After all he did good playing for Psv and i want to believe he is more than ready for a starting line up. Someone should please advice Wenger on this.

  • charlie says:

    Wholesale change is needed from the top down.

    1. Change the board. Bring back David Dein and allow Usmanov to take control and spend the £200 million he offered on new players. Its not rocket science.
    2. Change the manager. How many times do we have to hear Wenger complain about the shortage of Quality players out there to buy when he choose to keep, and even worse, use players like Squillaci, Djourou, Koscielny, Gibbs, Traore, Fabianski, Almunia, Diaby, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner, Vela, Chamakh. THAT IS THIRTEEN PLAYERS, AND SOME OF THE WORSE PLAYERS TO EVER GRACE THE PREMIERSHIP LET ALONE ARSENAL. i would transfer list them all..NOW. However, Wenger is happy to sell our best players, most of the time to direct competitors (Cole, Clichy, Toure, Adebayor, Nasri, Gallas). He was not happy to see Fabregas and Nasri go but it was one of the longest transfer dramas in footballing history yet he seems to have been caught by surprise as nobody….and get this….of Quality is available to replace. Tactically utterly useless..no defensive plan, inexplicable subs….you took off Coquellin and brought on O-chamberlin..WHY!!!??? Utter tosh.
    3. Make Vermaelen captain…NOW.
    4. Use what money you have now to sign three ~£20 million players….a defender, a midfielder and a Striker……the whole team needs a boost Now. We need more, but thats the way to start. Dont skimp on one player…they must all be BIG signings. DO IT NOW.
    5. Bring Tony Adams and Henry back as Defensive and Attacking coaches….Pat Rice has been pensionable for years now.
    6. Scrap the youth policy….
    7. I could go on but its just too depressing………..

    • GoonerSat says:

      1. Dream on

      2. Change Wenger and you change Arsenal (even Fergie says it) no one wants to buy the players you just listed.

      3. Agreed

      4. Agreed, or dish out a 40 million for a midfielder and two 20 million proven youths.. we are bound to lose 20 million at this rate (no CL next season below top 4 finish)

      5.Taht would be nice but they have to want to come and know how to coach

      6.Bullshit, its the heart of every great football club

      7. Then stop, but look in the mirror next time you go on a rant

      • charlie says:

        Those players can be sold at the right price….they are rotten apples turning the whole team sour. Get rid of them at whatever cost.

        The board and Wenger seem content with this vicious cycle of buying young, developing and then cashing-in on our best players policy. I can see why, its profitable . But Wenger does not know how, and does not attract as a manger, world-class players that are complete players. This is the “youth policy” I want scrapped.

        Usmanov promised £200 million to spend on players, no strings attached. The wage plolicy would change as a result of spending this kind of money. Wenger is NOT capable of spending this money.

        Bottomline….change Wenger now…..the person who should look in the mirror is Wenger. He is to blame for all this. I argues this for years and only now do people realise the emperor has no clothes.

  • GoonerSat says:

    Although it looks like the end of the world, its not..

    This is article that an arsenal fan site should put up :

    We had 8 first team players out, we have no holding midfield player with experience in the team (bench included) we paid a very high price for that. There was no midfield none whatsoever, none, the entire game was lost in the middle and we can blame defence for this but I’ll tell you now that if you look closely there was no “frimpong/song/diaby” cover in the middle. We have built an entire system around a holding mid. and we had none. Trust Ferggie to make use of that, he is the master of exploiting Arsenal weakness.

    Yes, this was the best time to face ManU their defence was shaky but we had our shot at making them crack but we missed it more than once. We had no attack, and when we did attack we had no luck, we could have levelled it at 1-1 could have taken it back to 3-2 as well. The game turned when we missed our chance at 3-2, this would have given us the belief that we could draw it out.

    We were not helped by the great Ref once more, the second yellow for Jenkison, the guys bumped hips and he gets a yellow, this is a joke, notice how they only scored 1 after the red.

    We hurt me the most yesterday, was the thought of today, when all you “Gunners” would hit out at the team, Wenger, etc.. as a manager you don’t plan for 8 first team players out unless you have money to throw away, which many argue we do. But when the injured and suspended come back what do you do them sit them on the bench? Its not that easy.

    Today, I’m sad, for Arsenal we did not deserve that. The F.A made an example of Song and Gervinho this has cost us a total of 6 points forget the 8 goals its the 6 points that we should be crying about.

    Why does everyone cry murder as soon as they see blood? This is the Premier League we play en Europe’s harshest league where every little mistake gets pointed out and punished. When you play United you want your first choice 11, our team reseemble an 3rd round F.A cup team so the result was, well obvious to me.

    Whats not so obvious is why you people can yourselves Gunners. KEEP THE FAITH we beat teams 7-0, 5-0 now its our turn to get hammered…deal with it our burn your jersey.

    • charlie says:

      Yes, but we did have Coquelin (making his debut) doing a reasonable job until Wenger decided what we needed has NO DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER and replaced him with Ox-Chamberlain….speechless….utterly speechless…but not for the first time. Wenger lost the plot a long time ago. yesterday we saw our emperor had no clothes….FINALLY. Time to make the changes I outlined in my post above. Defensive coach needed. Wenger has no clue. Attacking coach needed….nasri proved in one game why he is wasted at Arsenal because we dont get bodies in the box. RVP is not a striker. He is a forward, and probably best as as an attacking midfielder, wide player.

      Finally, convert Walcott to central role….PLEASE FFS.

    • Jorg says:

      I agree. Some people tend to panic. I would be concerned too, if the first line-up would have been beaten in that fashion, yet it was our Carling Cup formation at best.

      If you choose to ignore this fact than you must be worried. Of course you can argue that managers have to do all the right steps to prevent such streched resources in the first place, but then I don’t see how you can plan for this and whether you really should.

      I am glad to support a club that has the stomach to implement a strategy. You can’t do that if you are looking from game to game and if you let yourself being taken away by either particular good or particular bad results.

  • Bouba says:

    Armand Traore is having a medical at QPR.

    We know where we are going… We have now less body than the 25 needed…!!

    I know Wenger is at fault, but an eye should be also directed to the board.
    We have a bunch of “greedy” individuals ( including Kroenke ) which current situation is favourable.

    Personally I would love to see ( and hear ) Usmanov causing chaos after Wenger leaves.

    Yes, Wenger will leave at the end of the year, but in what condition would he leave Arsenal.
    It reminds me of his Monaco situation, and it was not pretty.

    We need a 5 signings ( not the 3 is talking about ) because he needs to restructure his all squad. His policy has failed and players let him down.

    It is time to get back to basis and change our tactical mind ( 4-5-1 does not work… RVP is more of an offensive midfielder !!)

    • charlie says:

      Please tell me thats true!! PLEASE. Take Almunia, Squillaci, Chamakh and Djourou as well, for free….we will even pay their wages, just take them because they are rotten apples…..

      I was disgusted to see Armand Traore attitude yesterday…he does not care about this club so get lost. Henry Lansbury was laughing yesterday…..sell him to Norwich…he had a good loan spell there so they will take him. Good riddance. Another rotten apple.

      We can keep, for now, Koscielny, Fabianski, Diaby, Gibbs & Bendtner. On last warning are Rosicky, Arshavin. Rosicky is supposed to be experienced and set an example to others….well, he is setting the wrong example….cant even be bothered to look back after a freekick. Arshavin has a spark, a genius…but my patience is running very, very low now.

      Walcott showed passion, and with him I put Wilshire, Vermaelen, Sagna, Gervinho and RVP we trust…

  • Gareth Priest says:

    Jenkinson may have been decent if he was coming into a back four to play alongside centre backs like Campbell, Keown, Adams, Vermaelen… but as it was they got Djourou and Koscielny – neither of whom are fit for purpose though are probably a little better than we thought they were a year ago. A ringing endorsement of their talents.

    As they lined up I turned to my friend and said they look like lambs to the slaughter. This result wasn’t a shock was it, it was on the cards and if they played again next week it would be another drubbing.

    And Wenger’s excuses don’t wash – injuries eh? Yes well they happen – and they’ve happened top Arsenal (and pretty much everybody else) for years now – and nothing has been done to address it.

    Fabregas carried this team for years and now the chickebns are coming home to roost for not investing whilst he was at the club.

    I wasn’t even angry or bothered watching the game – all those emotions have been passed already watching us fumble into this ridiculous situation.

    Arsenal travelling support = superb and deservev better. Hats off to them. But the club keep kicking them in the balls.

  • wengers straightjacket says:

    the club is rotten at the moment….no players will be signed except the korean guy?…you couldnt make this up could you.!
    Many of us fans were labelled anti-arsenal a year ago for questioning transfers and wengers man-management (or lack of it).
    Well i tried my best to get some impetus going to stop this happening as i love my club. What is needed is a concerted effort to out wenger. RVP is making noises as he feels the same…i heard a rumour that he has put in a transfer request and that for me must be the last nail in wengers arsenal coffin.
    People keep saying “who would replace him?…liverpool, chelsea and man city didnt seem to be sh++ scared of change did they?
    Personally any ex-players would do a much better job than the feeble deranged wenger…at least in a caretaker role. Players need inspiration, what is happening is frustration anger and apathy brought about by a manager that has totally lost the plot

  • Chris Chapman says:

    I am thinking, and though it saddens me, it may be time for AW to move on!! Younger new management blood should move in with a younger coaching assistant to replace Pat Rice. Who?? A good question. One person that springs to mind is Martin O’Neil. What is he doing at the moment?? He understands the British game and what the Premier League is all about. What happened Sunday was the disaster just waiting and well..here it is ..we have reached rock bottom!! I only hope AW and Arsenal will act urgently AND THIS IS A GRAVE EMERGENCY!!, spend some money, and get some experienced players in before the Wednesday evening deadline or the middle of the table finish is all the club can expect this term.

    • paul k says:

      hey,
      with all due respect , i think you are out of yourself to suggest Martin Oniel.. the guy is non starter, what has he achieved, don’t guest give names simply coz he is British…there other better options out there.
      About the game yesterday, I am still hurting by our performance yesterday, Arsenal looked like a bunch of street boys learning basic football. with all due respect to Man United, we were so poor which made them exceptionally good. i believe that Arsene is all to blame. in the first place he seems to get his tactics wrong and lacks a plan B. how do you sub a DM and bring some one who can not even make a tackle; that was suicidal and reckless.
      Even with all the players who were not included yesterday, i still believe that Arsenal needs to strengthen failure to which a mid table finish may turn to be delusional. 50 % of the current squad are not arsenal “material, they belong to teams which are fighting for relegation or even the championship.
      i wonder why AW sells players or players to tired of wasting their talents at Arsenal and yet never properly replace them .
      i think Arsenal were so pathetic yesterday that i even wondered why we had to sell Eboue, he wound have offered more resistant than the timid forks that we had
      yesterday
      Finally, Arsenal needs to work on their discipline, this is beginning with AW and all other players. Has anyone thought of how many points/ trophies that arsenal has lost due to lack of discipline…. 3 reds in three matches and counting,,,,,,,came on guys

  • Dwang says:

    I know why Wenger is afraid to spend. Because even if he does, he might not be able to win anything still, and he will run out of excuses to stay in the club.

    Given him a squad like Barcelona’s to coach, he might not win anything still. Gone were the days of Invincibles. That is a very strong team. But look at EPL now, it is not the same as the last decade.

  • Mark says:

    Looks like Traore is going to QPR. Not that he doesn’t have his faults, but unless a replacement is coming in for him what is Wenger’s plan there? Still don’t know why the need to sell Eboue. He certainly is stronger at either defender position than Jenkinson who looks way over his head and is just too slow to play on the outside. Gibbs will spend more time on the training table than the pitch.

  • Boozer says:

    One of the most frustrating things about this season is Arsene Wenger reminding us all that he has brought in players. Just one of the four players he has purchased can realistically contribute to this team. Gervinho (24) is a proven professional with top flight experience both in League 1 and internationally for the Ivory Coast. The other three? Alex Chamberlain (18) scored ten goals for a team that got promoted to the Championship. Carl Jenkinson (19) was playing Non-Leauge football last year. Joel Campbell (19) made three professional appearances for the Costa Rican team we bought him from. Three of these signings realistically would be more at home playing for the reserves than the first team. Especially when the first team has a paucity of experienced, strong-minded players. When you look at the transfer window with that logic, we essentially made one meaningful signing. Meanwhile we have sold five first team players (Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Vela, Eboue) that haven’t really been replaced. When everyone is healthy on our team, I don’t think we’re that far off from the championship level. That being said, no team ever has everyone healthy, and we should be at the championship level. Let’s hope for a few good signings and a clean bill of health this year, because we’re frustrated, not beaten. Arsenal ’til the death of me.

  • Scott (USA) says:

    We can go round and round about this and that but the most constant argument over the last few seasons from most supporters is the lack of quality defenders we have in our squad. This is not new. This is why most are so upset, disenfranchised, and feeling like we are moving backwards and not forward. We all want to win the Premier league every year and when we don’t we feel like we can do it next season. But lately it feels like we are moving in the wrong direction. That defensive ship has been leaking for years with no patches in sight. Arsenal supporters are not impatient. We have been more than patient IMO. We just want the ship to stop sinking. Fix the leaks so we have a chance to move forward. Please! I really don’t care who’s fault it is (The Board, Arsene, both) just get it right. If Wenger can’t do it then find someone who can. Gunner forever.

  • VIVA VELA says:

    LOL!!…..Real Sociedad won 2-1 great game by Carlos Vela….finally….He is playing.

    I told you…..As long as AW is there….is gonna be worst every weekend.

    But I guess Gervinho, Chamack etc….are all great players…..ah!!…and Super Theo!! amazing striker.

    Good move Carlos.(Hope they sell you by the end of the season)….keep on playing as we know you can…..you deserve better.

    VIVA VELA

  • Bouba says:

    Listen guys, people have to realise that the politic of the club is not working anymore and never did. Because when you have Coquelin as a CDM to face Man U, there is a deep problem and something crucially wrong ( injury or not )…

    We have to recalibrate our ambitions because we are on a survival mode at the moment. It might change but some serious work need to be done.

    The fans need to be rational and lower their hopes and expectations, because it is just not going to happen. We all know that.

    Gervinho came to Arsenal because he thought that he would be playing with Fabregas and Nasri. Please people, stop mentioning Benzema… That kind of a deal will never happen even in our wildness dreams. The fact is if you are young and ambitious, you don’t come to Arsenal… That part of history is now over.

    Arsenal is not attractive anymore… we need to break the wage barrier and start to become a “big spender” …

    We were in serious difficulties at Man U ( well we were drowning really ) and It is Chamberlain coming as a reinforcement !! ( that is disturbing and pitiful ).

    Wenger needs to tell us if the board ( and “greedy monkey Gazidis ) is involved in this chaos… He cannot get all the blame and I know he is not the soul responsible.

    I just don’t see Wenger bringing 3 or 4 players, it won’t just happen.

    The injuries are not an excuse ( and never were… especially when you are “supposed” to be a top club ) and the tactical aspect of the game seems to have become an enigma to Wenger.

    Do not mistake it, we are in a mess and a few signings might not do it… There is a mental and psychological sickness that needs to be dealt with.

  • Bouba says:

    One simple fact: When you have Djourou as a main back up for Vermaelen, there is something disturbing and wrong ( and even scary ) about our team.

    It is just showing how weak and low we have become. That part is Wenger fault. You don’t put your faith and believes on players who don’t have Premier League level. And we have many of them in our squad.

    One newspaper titled ” United shot Bambi and even Fergie felt the pain” How sad is that…

    • dy says:

      Djourou is a poor player with no pace and clumsy technique with no heart. Ramsey has no strength to carry out his skill, if there’s any at all. To be honest, Van Persie can’t function without supports from other players, he’s not the type doing things alone with a commanding presence. But I do agree with a lot of opinions that Arsene is inept at adapting to tactical changes.

  • Bouba says:

    Arsenal has agreed a fee for Andre Santos, left back of Fenerbahce …

    Also, Wenger had an offer refused by Dortmund for Gotze ( he is their best player, so they won’t let him go ).

    Benayoun is apparently on Wenger’s list as well as Marvin Martin ( the player expressed his desire to leave after Sochaux was kicked out of the UEFA Cup ).

    Another offer has been made for Cahill, and Owen Coyle hopes to sign Boyata/ Onuha from Man City has a replacement.

  • Benzema says:

    How the hell can you think that Benzema is leaving Madrid? He is now the main striker and Higuan (a 30+ season striker) is on the bench! And he had a great match last Sunday even though he did not score.

    Something else this year Real Madrid are even much much stronger and at par with Barcellona, so he Benzema will not leave Real Madrid since if he wants to win titles the only chance he got is to stay with Maurinho.

    So stop dreaming and come back to reality.

    Ahhh btw, Cesc scored two goals tonight and he already won two cups in less than a month.

  • Salvage says:

    Like someone here pointed out, Wenger is scared of spending big and still not win anything. The age long excuse of playing with ineperienced youth, would then cease to fly. We need to tell ourselves the truth. Wenger is tactically inept. It shows in substitutions and the total lack of a plan and approach for individual games. Great managers and coaches, employ a different approach to a game depending on the opponent. We get so far in games simply because of the name Arsenal. If you put out a very bad Brasillian team to any tournament, they will still get respected and feared by other teams and by the time others realize that the particular team is bad, they may have gotten to the quarter finals and then would get hammered by a team who wont fear or respect the name. This is what goes on at Arsenal. We have gotten by with a bad team and a Coach who has passed his prime(Coaching wise) for so long because of the great name Arsenal. The Wenger brigade would have us believe that without Wenger, the club is doomed. Thats far from the truth. The man has lost respect of even his best players. Thats why they are leaving without looking back. Thats why even people like Bendtner and Denilson, who are not even great players, had the guts to say the stuff they said in public of wanting to win trophies , thereby suggesting a vote of no confidence on their manager. Immediately after Wenger gave the excuse of playing Manu without key players, Van Persie came out to say that it was no excuse. The body language of some of the players, says a lot. There is a momentum that change brings. Think Liverpool, Barcelona, Dortmund. Change is constant and if Arsenal refuses to make the changes, then its stagnation that is inevitable. Change is the only thing that will bring about the momentum that we speak of. Change right from the top.

  • Wenger Fan says:

    Fire brigade phones Arsene Wenger in the early hours of Sunday morning…
    “Mr Wenger sir, Emirates is on fire!”
    “I knew this will happen one day in Emirates. As a precaution I didn’t win any cup at Emrites ” replies Arsene.

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