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Manchester United vs Arsenal: A tactical, positional and psychological analysis

Written by Hunter on August 30, 2011 – 19:45

The Gunning Hawk - ForumOld Trafford, Manchester

After witnessing the worst showing by an Arsenal side in my lifetime I was a bit perplexed as to what exactly I should choose to write about for this match. On the pitch, the team didn’t seem that they could be bothered to put in a real shift which makes it extremely difficult to isolate one single area. That got me thinking about the club as a whole, and that is where we will start today.

Let’s look closely at the mentality of the players, the manager and the board. The mental state of each tells us more about the upcoming season than the technical ability of any single player, or of the tactical ability of the manager. Of course from the outside this can be a bit difficult but there are many clues we can use to give us the information we are looking for.

The Boardroom

In the boardroom we have become a bit of a shadowy mystery since “Silent Stan” has taken over. When David Dein was helping run the management side of things I always felt I knew that he was in it to win. It felt that he would do anything to make the club better and he showed it time and again with his help in the transfer market and by ultimately being the one who brought us Arsene himself.

Since Dein has been gone there is no one on the board who puts off that aura. It seems from the outside that it’s more about bringing in a profit and nothing else. Because Kroenke has never come out and made a statement of his intentions, we don’t get an exact picture of what he thinks the future of the club should look like. What we do have however, are statements from ex and current board members (David Dein being one of them) that gives us a sense that it’s not as much about winning as the supporters might hope it would be.

Interestingly, this weekend, former board member Lady Bracewell-Smith tweeted “Not good for #Arsenal and only 3 days left before the transfer window close.” And previously she stated that there was a power struggle in the boardroom and she was caught in the crossfire. With no direction from the top it seems the club are like a ship with no rudder.

But, not only do we have no direction, we have no cutting edge in anything we do. Seeing this sort of indecisiveness come from the top only makes the players edgy and the fans angry. At this point I don’t think we can say our board is strong enough to help us compete at the top level and it shows in almost everything we do as a club. When you won’t even bother to fight for a transfer target who can help the club, it’s a sign to the players and to the supporters that when the going gets tough, the club will fold up and go elsewhere instead of fight to become better.

The Manager

No manager in recent history has divided opinion quite like Arsene Wenger. At the moment we have a number of supporters who say we need to start over with a new manager. On the other hand we have another group who say we need to keep the faith and allow him time to rebuild the squad into a title challenging side again. Arsene himself said this weekend after the match that, “The defeat at Manchester United was under special circumstances given the amount of players we had out. But we have played just three games.

I think you should give me more time to say I have completely done it wrong.” I wholeheartedly disagree. Based on what we have seen over the last 15 games I would say indeed he has got it wrong but I don’t necessarily think it’s time for him to go if he can make wholesale changes immediately.

It appears from the outside that he has moved the goalposts a bit from the aspirations of winning the title to claiming that “top four is success” which is something that I for one cannot agree with. If you want to get the best out of a person in any line of work you need to help them strive to be the best they can possibly be. As a young man I was always told that second best is not good enough and that I should always strive to reach the very top of whatever I chose to do.

Obviously I had to understand that things don’t always go the way I may like, but that we can always strive to be the absolute best. When our manager decided that we could be successful without being a winning side, we again lost more of our competitive edge. How will you teach a young player that you need to always give your all to be on top if you are then saying that 4th place is a big success?

You have immediately removed any ability you have to motivate a player to be anything bigger and better because they know as a manager you are not striving to be number one. If the manager can turn this mentality around we may once again be a success on the pitch. Until then, I can’t see how he will motivate this young side on to bigger and better things or even into the top 4 of the premiership. This single thing is where I think his future rests.

The Players

Well, where to start? With a manager who doesn’t demand success and a board who seems to lack direction, is it any wonder the product on the pitch suffers? In the off season Arsenal lost 2 of the best players not only in the premier league but in all of Europe and as yet has failed to replace them. In the 3 games the side have played this season the team has been littered with players who have very little or no experience and the side has indeed suffered.

It’s not only down to ability that the results have been below par, but also because of the poor mentality running throughout the side. The young players have not had to work to earn the right to play in the side and therefore take for granted the fact that they should ever have to work hard to achieve success.

If we are expecting a 19 year old championship player to come in and do a job on the pitch it would be of great benefit for us to ensure that the player knows what is expected of him and that he will not be handed a spot without earning it. Unfortunately, that is not where we currently stand. The players have been handed a spot in the side without ever having earned it and therefore have no concept of working hard to win and become the best. Why should they?

They have just been handed a spot in one of the top footballing sides in Europe and they hardly had to do anything to achieve this. To compound this they see a manger who will stick with a player no matter who poorly he may be playing season after season so there is no motivation to improve.

The lack of competition in the side has made our young players think they have a right to a spot in the side without actually earning it and also to results on the pitch. When was the last time we heard the manager state that in order for a player to get a chance he had to earn it? Instead we hear him saying he will not buy others because this will stop the young players from developing. This might come as a shock to some but if you are good enough you will make a spot for yourself no matter who is brought in.

The players need to be treated much more like men and much less like children. All of this has contributed the lack of fight we have seen in the start to the season and this is another place where it is not only make or break for the manager but also for the players.

Recently the manager claimed, “I believe that the real destiny of this team is now. It demands the strength of character that champions have. I believe we are perfectly good enough.” Is a young player to think that because it is his “destiny” to win the league that he no longer needs to work hard to achieve results? From the top of the management team to the last player assigned a first team spot, the entire psychology of the club needs a major reshuffle.

Arsenal need to move back to the old Arsenal way where winning was a way of life and anything else is simply not good enough. Until then I fear we will see the same results over and over. If this is the case, we must then consider the future of our manager and every player in the squad.

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  • Haris says:

    So, you are saying that it will all go worst and worst and still you think nobody can/will replace him?

    There are plenty of managers out there…

  • jay says:

    Believe it or not he is replaceable… as he will be someday. Who wud have thought pep guardiola could do the job he has done at BFC.My only problem with wenger has been his refusal to add class at the appropriate time.like when we needed a keeper after lehman,when we needed a leftback after cashley, when we needed a striker after henry…He kept procrastinating. clichy was a flop, almunia is a flop, eduardo was a flop. it had to come down to 8-2. for him to respond surely there are better players out there than what was the core of arsenal last season? bendtner, eboue, diaby, chamakh, rosiscky, squillaci, almunia, Am not a manager but even I know all this players are shite so why didnt he? they had to collapse to a relegated team for him to know they are not any good? I say lets get Bergkamp back and start grooming him for the managers post.

  • Haris says:

    Totally agree with you Hunter. Very good article and you said basically everything that was on mine mind.

    I say let Wenger lead us until summer and if we fail to make it in the top 4 then fire him.

    • Jorg says:

      It is not a very good article because speculations are turned into facts and conclusions are drawn that that are not neccessarily true (logically)

  • HmmGunner says:

    I think it’s pretty clear that Wenger;s workload is far too much and it’s getting to him. He’s good but he can’t do everything. He really needs people to reduce his workload, but I don’t know whether the board don’t want to hire someone or he doesn’t want to.

  • Archimedes says:

    Good article. Kroenke’s US clubs are respectable but not exceptional. He is in it for the money and to be successful investor. His bet is that football will be bigger and that Arsenal will be successful, titles are nice but not a must. By definition of running an empire, his passion is the professional team sports business, not just Arsenal. He’ll do what is required to keep us in CL because dropping out means egg on his face business wise.
    AW magic failed him when the rest of the world caught up with France and Ligue 1 two years ago when the national team dropped below England and now is in the low teens in FIFA. His French and African picks of recent has not sparkled but he is oblivious to the root cause just explained. If Mertesacker is signed, he is beginning to get it because Germany and Bundesliga is full of Arsenal compatible value for money young, world class potential talent. Mourinho signed Khedira, Özil and now Sahin. Dortmund is full of talent hardly memtioned in Britain. Hummels, Bender, Götze, Grosskreutz, Kagawa, Lewandowski, Barrios just to mention a few, in the team cobbled together by Klopp on an Everton budget so when AW is kicked upstairs at some point, Juergen Klopp is the man.
    Unlike in the US where docile club owner such as Kroenke are guaranteed talent thru the draft system, he will have to wake up and adjust to the highest bidder reality in football, but he’ll learn quick enough by talking to other transatlantic owners soon enough. At least I don’t think he is a fool, he’ll look after his investment.

  • Scott (USA) says:

    Very nice article Hunter. I like the breakdown of each aspect. IMO when a team achieves failure of this level there are so many reasons. Not just one. It is a club that looks lost at the moment. Oddly we have been told to be patient and that our youth will come through. Now I am not sure where we are going. I am not sure anybody in the staff and boardroom know either. Are we rebuilding again or are we scrapping plan A for plan B? Who knows but one thing is a fact. The season just started and a team should have a direction it wants to go and we don’t seem to know which end is up. I think Arsenal have qualified people to make these hard decisions and I am hoping things will turn out good. It just seems odd that we seemed to have been caught with our pants down. Maybe we just got caught in the perfect storm. Who knows but one thing is for sure. A few of our problems could have been avoided with a some forsight. A little vision. COYG!

  • Charlie says:

    The Man Utd drubbing was not a one-off. We also have the Newcastle debacle, drawing despite a 4-0 lead. The Carling Cup Final calamity. The unprecedented succession of red cards to start this season (could have been worse, Arshavin deserved red). All of this and more are just the symptoms. The problems are multifaceted, and start at the top. I have posted this in another blog, but basically we need wholesale change, from the boardroom, the Manager, the backroom staff, and the players.

    Arsene Wenger seems to think management is about keeping the faith…..faith in his philosophy, faith in his transfer policy, faith in his obssession with youth, faith in his players, and faith in his system of playing….one way, there is no plan B. If all he wants is to feel good about himself and put his faith into things, he should take up a religion. Alex Ferguson proves how management is much more ruthless, and disciplined, and crucially….organised and flexible. I for one am not one of the “KEEP THE FAITH” brigade when it comes to Wenger. I lost my patience a long time ago. If needed I can document a long list of management errors but the truth is you all know…..

  • Tony says:

    Far too negative

    • Haris says:

      What is negative. I have a question for all who still believe in Wenger, I`m just curious what needs to happen for you to say OK that does it, I want him out of the club???

      Please let me know.

      • pdxArsenal says:

        Arsenal formula of success is simple – buy players good enough to sell tickets. Good players cost a lot of money but we have the manager with a special ability to recognize young upcoming stars that are much cheaper when they are young so Wenger is safe with Arsenal.
        Using mesmerizing style of football, AW do not need super stars to win games like MU, MC or Liverpool, those players have to be just good enough to win playing AW style. AW knows he does not have hoses good enough to win this year and that is what frustrates him. We might not play the CL next year making it difficult to buy player so Arsene needs to buy good enough players this year.

  • Simmer 10 says:

    Wenger has lost the plot, however he does deserve the chance to clean up this mess. excellent post Hunter.

  • Gunnerrob says:

    Losing at Old Trafford the way we did hurts us all deeply, absolutely it’s not what we expect or deserve as loyal and devoted fans, I personally felt crushed after the match. But it was just one match, we caught united on a day when everything they did just went right and we missed our fair share of chances and made terrible defensive decisions, also we were severely weakened, partly through our own fault and partly due to injuries, also to compound this our new signings (replacements) haven’t yet been made, making us even weaker (that’s another story). There’s been a lot of knee jerk reaction to the start of the season, a hell of a lot of rhetoric and an even greater number of people standing on their soap boxes, proclaiming great wisdom about where it all went wrong and how to fix all our woes in three easy steps.

    Well yes, it’s not been perfect, in fact apart from Udinese, it’s been woeful, losing Cesc and Nasri, this is a lot for our players to deal with mentally, it would have especially effected our younger players who no longer have Cesc to look up to. Then their was Joey (the Thug) Barton, causing two of our best players to be suspended, albeit Song was pretty stupid. Followed by the impressive and energetic Frimpong, letting his enthusiasm get the better of himself, causing us more woes. Add to that Wilshire’s and Vermaelen’s injuries and things could not have started much worse for us.

    But let’s get some perspective, as a club we’ve had a history of great highs and occasional lows, (we lost 6-1 to united not too many years ago with a team containing Henry and Pires, but we bounced back), I doubt we’ll ever have such a chain of events to contend with at the beginning of a season again, it may even prove to be a blessing in disguise, I’m guessing there is no complacency in the boardroom or with Wenger after such a diabolical weekend. I’m sure the signings we need will be made. At least this has happened at the beginning of the season, so we have time to regroup and it’s all still to play for. Title’s are never won or for that matter lost in the first half of the season.

    There has been a lot of criticism of the way the club is being run, but as far as I remember Arsenal has always been run in a very steady conservative way, it’s just the way it’s always been at Arsenal. We don’t made marquis signings, it’s just not in our DNA. Ok maybe Malcolm Macdonald and more recently via Bruce Rioch, Dennis Bergkamp, but those are the exceptions. Our board will never be explosive, but you can pretty much guarantee that our club will be run in a measured and stable way, even if it can be a bit frustrating at times.

    As for criticism of the manager, well I don’t really rate him as a manager (I never have really) but as a coach, Wenger is a genius, he has turned so many rough diamonds into quality I’ve lost count and his attacking passing style of football is total pleasure when it’s working. at the moment it’s not working, but it will again, that I’m sure of and very very soon. Don’t write Wenger off just yet.

    As for the players, well I think some of the critics have once again been particularly harsh, especially to players like Jenkinson. Talk about being thrown in the deep end. Yes he made many positional mistakes, but this boy does have a big heart and he’s an honest player, and for that I will let him off. He’s not fully ready yet, but he will be if he learns fast. I thought RVP and Walcott kept on running even when we were 6 down and kept trying. Arshavin and Djourou were the big liabilities and it’s a real shame we had no one fit or available to replace them.

    I’m not sure we can compete with the likes of Man City this season, financially it’s absolutely impossible, so if we are to beat them it’s going to have to be by using guile and by using a style of play that is more about the team than the individuals, this is the only way Wenger can take us forward against such odds. We have to rely on youth, it’s the only way we can find talent good enough that we can afford, hopefully we can bring in a bit of experience as well to take the burden off RVP and Vermaelen.

    Although I’m still hurting from the weekend, I’m still absolutely confident that we still have enough talent to give any team a proper game when we have our main players available, we have a strong spine of :- Chesney, Vermanator, Kos, Mertesacker,Gibbs (Santos), Sagna, Wilshire,Frimpong, Song, Myachi, Ox, Gervinho, Walcott, Ramsey (plenty to come from this kid), RVP, Park, Campbell.

    Yes it does look very young, but it’s bursting with talent and I see several fighters in this team that we have lacked in previous years, like Vermaelen, Wilshire, Chesney, Park, Frimpong Mertsacker.

    We have one thing in common, that is we all love “The Arsenal”, let’s all take a deep breath and get behind this very new look Arsenal and let’s see what we can achieve, things can only get better, much much better.

  • arse or brain says:

    you must be a very young man if you think that was the worst performance in your lifetime or is performance only judged on scoreline the 6-1 was worse ( with veira henry pires freddie wiltord ) less panic more deep thought . also did you every see some of the performances under terry, don, bruce, george and the worst billy wright

    • Gunnerrob says:

      You’re right, George Graham teams seem to be the stuff of folklore, people talk about the famous back 4 as some kind of magic. What they fail to remind us is we had no midfield, we used to hoof the ball up field and hope Wrighty would do the rest, I used to feel so sorry for Paul Davis, he was one of the only players who had good passing ability but no one ever passed to him. I’m so glad we’ve moved on.

    • Hunter says:

      In my mind this was much worse than the 6-1 defeat because that team had actually proven during the rest of the season that they were mentally and physically a much better side than that score indicated. The current team has proven absolutely nothing except that they are poor players and mentally fragile.

  • sec says:

    well, grimandi appeared in a tv show a few hours on french cable tv. He pretty much admitted they could not compete with the likes of man u/city and chelsea for financial reasons.

    Also, he did say they could not bring replacements of the same calibre for fabregas and nasri because of the wage structure. He said they could pay the transfer fee for a top player with the sales of nasri/fabregas, but top player means top salary and they cannot meet a top player’s demands without increasing wages for all players which they simply cannot do. So the only way for them to have top players is to recruit young promising players and hope for them to emerge.

    And unless they all emerge suddenly a the same time, the ones reaching top level faster will want to move to win trophies.

    trophyless future awaits 4th-spot challenger arsenal.

    So, unless someone decides to buy arsenal and inject some cash so that the wage structure can be changed, arsenal will have to stick with theses young unproven players.

    And for those who want wenger out, the fact is, there’s no other manager who could qualify for CL year after year with this young unproven and squad. If wenger was out, arsenal would only be some mid-table team.

  • AbeORD says:

    Suppose AW allowed the Gunners to loose that badly in order to shake the board into sanctioning signings that demands higher fees and higher salaries? If AW had been having a difficult time in getting the players that he wanted with high fees and high salaries, wouldn’t it be a great idea? All of a sudden the Gunners are working hard to transfer in some good players! Perhaps our manager is a very genius of a man!!

    • Scott (USA) says:

      Very funny take on the whole ManU game debacle Abe. We can only hope this was the case and not some form of senility in our leader.

  • Weslee says:

    Ok, once again, i am reading about the demise of Arsenal. This is a seriously wrongsided way to view this situation. We criticize the youngsters. Why? They more than any other player will play their asses off to win their place in the team. On Sunday, Chamberlain came on an i saw the same problem that i always see, no one wants to pass him the ball. This is a leadership issue within the midfield positions. It is the midfield that moves the play on. This is where the real problem lies. The young defense can control the back if the midfield is on top of its game.

    Ramsey is not playing an adventurous role at all. He is hesitating and then hurriedly getting rid of the ball. He was really needed on Sunday. Can i blame him for his hesitation ? No, not at all. His brain instantly brings back his broken foot when he gets tackled. It will take time to get him up to scratch. Eduardo was never able to reach his best after his broken foot. Well, not only Ramsey goes through this problem. Robin, Theo, Abou, Thomas, now Koschielny. Previously Clichy was the last victim of injury problems. It is to be seen if Jack comes through his injury psychologically so that he can play like his potential suggests. I also strongly believe that Fabregas left to save his career.

    The Premier League is hard and vicious. The weaker teams and some referees accept this violence as just part of the English game. It is no wonder that England keeps losing. They technically cannot compete against foreign teams that concentrate on playing the technical side of the game. Everybody hates Barcelona, just as i do, but it cannot be denied that technically they are the best right now.

    So, where does this leave Arsenal. If i understand their youth system, it is concentrating on teaching the youngsters the Arsenal/Barcelona way. This is why Wenger keeps bringing in foreign younsters to bolster the first team. English players are hurriedly pushed through the system and therefore not given the technical training that Arsenal needs. These youngsters after being trained are then loaned out to English clubs which is very beneficial to Arsenal but not to the club taking them in. They then return to Arsenal.

    So what to do with these returning youngsters without destroying their dreams ? You try to play them in the first team and see how they do. If we can get a steady stream of youngsters that mature enough to play first team football then we are successful. Fabregas was trained and he is highly successful but a lot of his understanding lies in his headstart with Barcelona. JET was not because he was fully English trained.

    This allows me to accept that Wenger is right all along and the only thing that blew up in his face is Fabregas. He was building a very powerful young midfield that could release the pressure that built up on the defense. He was also building a counterattacking defense. The forwards would be able to handle things up front.

    It all collasped due to Fabregas leaving. Nasri on his own could not do what Fabregas did because I don’t believe that Nasri had “the right stuff”. He is a mercenary. Arshavin is playing in the wrong position. Theo is playing in the wrong position. Arshaving is a more midfield type of player. Theo wants his shot at the inside position. Well, now with the collapse of the system, Wenger has a chance to put eveyone in the right position. I think he will resolve this issue. I have faith in him. I am happy that Arsenal are a conservative club that follows Wenger’s prescription to buy quality at a great price. I have faith and i see only better things to come.

  • jason says:

    I dont get this article??

    Every year apart from this one hes talked and tried to push this team to win things example the carling cup after lossing it saying he hoped we would win it and the preasure would be off us so we could win more.

    Does this sound like a man happy with top 4?

    I blame the board he losses Adebayor and has to get a replacement and gets chamakh on a free transfer.

    This is a example of the boards dealing how they said any player sold would have the profits put to the staduim.

    So when you lose players like Flamini, hleb, toure, gallas, clichy and so on you kind of have to make do with any bargain you can get.

  • shagx says:

    It’s obvious Wenger knows our squad is not strong enough to challenge for all 4 cups/title and to go through the whole season. We do have good players and some of them are even great. On our day, we can still beat anyone, but I think we all agree we can’t compete for the whole season, playing for all 4 trophies.
    Is Wenger such an idiot that he can’t see that? I’m 120% sure, he knows it better than anyone. Has he tried to do anything about it? I’m sure he has but without success. He never speaks about what happens in the club and for him to come out and say our wage being offered is behind other team is a big statement. We all know we can’t compete with Man city or Chelsea and he has stated many times we’re not on the same spending level with them, so for him to say we’re behind is obvious talking about other teams like Liverpool, Spurs…etc, which is extremely disheartening.
    Looks like the board is finally sanctioning in buying players with a reasonable wage but only acting after such a disgraceful defeat is criminal. It’s a shame we don’t have a real leader at the back like David Dein back in his day. Bring in Kronke was a bad move, it’s obvious he has absolutely no interest in Arsenal FC, his interest is in globalizing his sport empire. Making money. The Russian at least go to the game and is offering to help out. Does he has his own agenda? Absolutely, but at least he seems interested and is a strong character, which we desperately need. We don’t need someone who hide behind Wenger and let him take everything in the face. We need someone from the club to come out and defend him. Someone to lead. Mr. baldy is definitely not the man as we have seen how competent his is in dealing with our players’ contract and negotiating players who we’re suppose to be bring in.

  • Mell Romano says:

    You got the ‘psychological’ analysis written but where the tactical & positional analysis??

    It was clear that we were short of quality players that day. 8 key players were out due to suspension & injury. Thus it’s too demanding to expect Arsenal to outplayed MU in that match.

    We could have played defensively and played a slower game but MU were simply fantastic & did not allow us to slow down the pace.

    There was no leader at the defence and they crumbled under pressure. There was also no leader in midfield to regroup the team after 1st half 3-1 score.

    And not to forget again we played with 10 men ….

    We need experienced players that could hold the team under circumstances like MU match and play for a draw at least in order to avoid losses.

    That’s why the new signings are brought in …

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