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Tottenham vs Arsenal: Time to show we mean business. Plus favourite line-up

Written by Chris on October 2, 2011 – 4:45

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The Game

The North London Derby. After three positive results against Shrewsbury, Bolton Wanderers and Olympiacos Piraeus, the Gunners pay a visit to their rivals knowing that only a win would be considered an acceptable result.

And this is because under normal circumstances, a non-win result this afternoon wouldn’t be a surprise as we all know how bizarre North London derbies can be in which anything can happen regardless of the strength of the two teams.

But this time, considering what happened during the summer and considering what happened in the first few weeks of the season, we simply cannot lose, we actually cannot even afford to draw if we are to honestly aim for the title as Arsene said in mid-week.

Ahead of the game, we have our usual injury concerns as Yossi Benayoun, Sebastien Squillaci, Johan Djourou, Thomas Vermaelen, Theo Walcott, Gervinho, Laurent Koscielny, Jack Wilshere and Abou Diaby are all out or set to face late fitness tests on Sunday morning which usually means that they will either not feature or they will be rushed back into action with the risk of suffering a setback.

In a way, today’s game brings up two “interesting” facts in my book. The first one is that the last time we played before the International break we were humiliated by Manchester United with the players needing almost a month to recover from that defeat and two, this time last year we lost 3-2 at home against West Bromwich Albion when the Club announced their healthy financial situation.

Today we will try to change that as having to wait fourteen days to “bounce back” from a defeat is a long time whilst on the other hand, if we win, it would be the best possible way to approach the International break and look forward with optimism.

Ultimately, we could easily use Arsene Wenger’s train example to explain our season start. He believes that the reason why we didn’t catch the first couple of trains is because we didn’t have enough personnel to take us to the train station in time. I instead say that the reason is that we ignored signs along the way, signs that clearly indicated that the personnel had to change before it’s too late.

But anyway, this is where we are now and this evening we will know what our main objective will be in the English Premier League. Spurs have a two-point lead in the table, with a game in hand and if we lose we could easily be back in the relegation zone with the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea running away at the top.

To conclude, my apology to the Arsenal medical team as it seems Cesc suffered a hamstring injury that will keep him out for three weeks. Last week, not sure if in an article on in the forum, I was wondering how come he didn’t suffer any injuries since joining Barcelona but this shows that his Arsenal “trouble” had absolutely nothing to do with our medical team, to which I indeed raise my hand and offer an apology.

As always, my favourite line-up is below. Remember you can submit your own at Arsenal Interactive and then share it on Twitter and Facebook.

Favourite line-up

Tottenham vs Arsenal

As said in the introduction, players who face “late fitness tests” should not be utilised as the risk of suffering a setback is always.

So it will be important, today, to start with healthy players(so I’m ignoring Theo and Gervinho for this game) and, most importantly, experience. The defensive department should be the same one that started in mid-week as Andre Santos demonstrated that he could be a better defensive option than Kieran Gibbs who would be a poor option considering who Spurs have on the wings.

In midfield, the options are many. I’m afraid Emmanuel Frimpong is too much of a hothead to use in such an important derby whilst on the other hand, Francis Coquelin was one of the few positive notes when we were trashed by United at Old Trafford.

As for why I would go for Tomas Rosicky, very disappointing in mid-week, well it’s a matter of experience. Ultimately the other option is Aaron Ramsey who is yet to fully convince this season. Make no mistake, not that the Czech is having an out-of-the-world season but I want to believe that he will step up and bring his experience to a difficult game.

Offensively, I would start with Andrey, Alex and Robin. Say what you want, but whenever big games are around the corner, for me, Andrey is the man. As for Oxlade-Chamberlain, he is an intelligent young man and I’m convinced he is fully aware of how reluctant he was to defend on Wednesday and will not make the same mistake today.

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  • lee says:

    scored the winner against liverpool at anfield – 2-1

    scored our only goal against man u at old trafford before coming off injured and losing the game to a diaby own goal – 1-2

    came off the bench and scored the winner against barcelona at the emirates – 2-1

  • Hassan says:

    He scored a winner against Liverpool at anfield the season after the 4-4 which turned our season

  • mikkey says:

    I don’t quite agree with Chamberlain, a lot of Tottenham’s attack will appear on their left and with the likes of Gareth Bale (and sometimes Adebayor), Sagna wouldn’t be able to cope with so much, albeit being our most reliable defender. Walcott’s much better with his defensive duties. I also think Frimpong and Gervinho will start.

    Sczcesny
    Sagna Mertesacker Song Santos
    Frimpong Arteta Ramsey
    Walcott RVP Gervinho

    Some players might not be the best starting options, but knowing Wenger it is the most likely.

  • mj says:

    Theo is probably gonna play. First of all I don’t think its fair to throw chamberlain on for such an intense match. I know hees played very well in his last 2 matches but this is a totally different experience. Second of all its always an open match when we play tottenham so walcotts pace is gonna be crucial. I remember theo had a great game last year at the lane with a goal and assist so I’m pretty sure wenger will be desperate to have him in the team

  • zeb says:

    it could be a long 90 minutes

  • Aussie Jack says:

    I think that`s a good selection, maybe have Miyachi on the bench to rest Asharvin at the 60 minute mark and Walcott to give young Chamberlain a rest. Chu Young Park will keep for another day but he must start getting game time.

  • jason says:

    I think its safe to say there may be a few goals in this one xD

    I feel more secure with Song at the back than Koz LOL

  • Cc says:

    Why not go for park

  • joseph says:

    pliz i am very hapy with your line up but a change

    if it is posible all i would like some to send this line up to wenger and he should use it believe me we will win . here is my line up
    1 W scceny
    2 B sagna
    3 k Gibs
    4 P Merte
    5 A song
    6 E frimpong
    10 T Rosicisky
    8 M ARTETA
    7 Theo Walkot
    11 A santos
    9 Robin Van pasie

    substutes remove santos and Bring Andre Ashivin , Rosiciky and bring in Ramsey , Walkot and bring Alex Chamberine
    if we do not get injuries we will win this game .
    note all players are in their respective number.

    • paris86 says:

      i don’t and i will probably never get it why do some people change player’s surnames?

      • Steve of Chiang Mai says:

        Um cause they cant spell? OK he fluked Ramsey!

  • Clement says:

    I agree with your line-up BUT the only problem is the Left-Back position. Santos demonstrated that he could better defensively than Gibbs. He was terrible during the Backburn lost when he was called to follow the offside trap/line. During the following games, he showed great improvement and good understanding with his defensive partners.

    The problem here is you don’t play offside trap/line with a team that has TWO very fast wingers (G. Bale and Lenon) and TWO intelligent midfielders (Modric and Van der Var) who are able to deliver good balls behind our defenders.

    In conclusion, for this game Gibbs should start because he is faster than Santos.
    Mark my word, If our back 4 tend to play high up the pitch and trying to build an offside trap/line, believe me we will be hammered. I trust the manager because tactically:

    ” HE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN SEE AND HE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN’T SEE.” Clement.

  • sam says:

    chris,
    arshavin and rosicky cannot play 2 big games in a week. i am afraid we will be in trouble with this line. i hope they both start on the bench, including chamakh
    where is park chu young?

  • Simon says:

    Gee – wasn’t too concerned until I saw the preferred linup – yikes!

  • nikkogunners says:

    These players can win us this match. However I would go with 4.4.1.1
    ————–Snezzy
    Sagna, Metsecker, Song, Santos
    —Rosicky, Conquelin, Arteta
    ————–AOC————-
    ———-Ashavin—————
    ————-RVP—————

    AOC given a free role in both wings and can turn up from whichever wing he finds conducive to push an attack. Santos and Sagna will assist in the wing play.

    Ashavin playing in the slot behind the striker. RVP leading the lines. Conquelin playing in-front of the back four. Arteta and Rosicky with the help of AOC make up the midfield

  • Manu says:

    Hmm. Even though frimpong has the tendency to lose his cool, i think one should not neglect the fact that he grew up with the arsenal vs. tottenham derby, having joined arsenal at age nine and been living in the area all this time. Coquelin came in 2008, and has been off on loan until this season practically, I am not sure he fully understands the tie as well as frimpong. Maybe it is just my Football Manager instincts, but something is telling me that sticking with a local lad is the better option for this derby, and then maybe sub frimpong out in the second half if he is on a yellow, as to not repeat the red card situation at liverpool. Otherwise good squad.

    • amused says:

      i think frimpong will get his marching orders.

  • Nikko says:

    My starting line up
    Wojo
    Sagna-Mertesacker-Song-Santos
    Ramsey-Frimmy-Arteta
    Benayoun/Gervinho-Walcott/Benayoun
    RVP

    If we dont risk Theo and Gervinho now, who are we saving them for? Do we have a bigger game anytime soon? The international break is coming up so it means they miss the international games. If we ssave them and they play in the international games, they could get injured on that stage, meaning they miss games for us.

    Alex is a no no, too young as you said experience is needed. Rosicky is past is. We could use Frimpongs beat like attibutes to our advantage here. I believe that team has the best chance to win this game.

  • Hey says:

    Chamakh should be played to defend set pieces

  • fed says:

    an interesting lineup, I approve!

  • max says:

    well, under other circumstances a draw would be an ok result. when you look at their midfield (modric, vdv, bale, lennon) and their attack (defoe, adebuywhore) you have to admit that they have some quality players. but as the author said, only a win is acceptable.

  • shafiu says:

    Don’t you know squillaci is fit and ready for today match he only lack match fitness as Wenger said in pre match conference on friday. Why not use him instead of Song in defense, and use Song in mid field.

  • Gunman says:

    How about 4-4-2 and a defensive line up since it’s an away match.

    Szcenzney
    Sagna. Mert. Song. Santos
    Theo. Arteta.Frimpong. Gibbs
    Gervinho RvP

    This is only because, I think wing play will be spud’s strength and I think Gibbs and Theo will be able to help out. And with RvP playing as a false 9, he can feed passes and crosses to Theo and Gervinho and spearhead the Arsenal attack. Go Gunners!

  • Haris says:

    We are going to lose. I just hope it won`t be too big. 3:1 or 4:1 for them is my prediction.

  • Spectrum says:

    Given what this derby means to Arsenal supporters, not just the occasion itself, but in the context of how our season progresses from here, I take it we can expect Wenger to resign should we fail to win ?
    Not only is our honour at stake, but the three points from a win will at least keep us from falling even further behind the leaders.We should demand nothing less. Failure is not an option, Wenger. You’re on notice.

    • Haris says:

      Unfortunately, no matter what happens Wenger will still be our manager. What kind of a club is this when a manager can`t be sacked.

      • Spectrum says:

        Haris – ” What kind of a club is this when a manager can`t be sacked.”
        A club that’s no longer a big club. Wenger has said as much, after we sold our best two players. A club that has no ambition other than to finish top 4, so we can keep the Champions league revenue rolling in. A club where the board and C.E.O. are content to endorse this, because they see us as a business first, and a ( successful ) football club second. That’s why they give their unqualified backing to Wenger.
        They’ve got an accountant masquerading as a football coach. And it suits them for it to remain that way.Wenger knows it too. That’s why he’s just stated he’d like to stay for 5,10, or 15 years more, health permitting. He’s comfortable, because there’s little pressure or accountability made upon him.
        We need our club back !

  • JohnStilton says:

    Coquelin has demonstrated far more things than Frimpong. Smart, Calm, clever in his tackling and cool in his passing. Don’t get me wrong but my son (7) control and pass the ball better. He needs to improve and a lot before pretending to a start against such a team. i found him so poor against Olympiacos, I was embarrassed for the poor kid. Also I would start Ramsey ahead of Rosicky.

    My line up
    Scezny
    Sagna, Per, Song, Gibbs
    Coquelin, Arteta
    Ramsey
    Rosicky, Arshavin
    RVP

  • summerbreez says:

    I would go in with fresh legs and a packed up midfield

    sanga.. per ..song ..santos

    coqeulin ..arteta….freepong

    chamberlian…van….park

    benayoon….archivan….ramsy…mlyachi…jenkinson ….gibbs

    • summerbreez says:

      coqeulin ..benayoon…ateta….freepong
      ………………van….park

      in a 442 it looks strong we need a strong performance by blocking the midfield

  • GunnerPete says:

    Gunman I think you are spot on sunshine….Arsene always goes out to ‘win’ with lightweight forward play….after 25 minutes it is obvious that this is wrong and all initiative has passed to the opposition. Your selection is almost identical to mine. I would play a tactical game that AW still has not learned after all these years..ie; dont let the bastards pass! To lose you have to concede…to win in a agame where the home team are favourites …you first silence the supporters by shutting the team out. Then with 20 minutes to go you add a couple of jet propelled wingers cum forwards…and hit them on the break. After 60 minutes…King is flagging etc.

    The only only change I would make to your kick off selection is that I would play Coquelin on the right in place of Theo until Aw senses its the right time to change.

    Szcenzney
    Sagna. Mert. Song. Santos
    Coquelin Arteta.Frimpong. Gibbs
    Gervinho RvP

    Subs; OAC (definitely to come on second half) Theo (same if required) Miqel, Flapiansky, Sung Park, Ramsey, Benjayoun.

    I suspect that usual Arsene will disappoint by playing two wingers from the start ,neither who can defend..so putting us under stupid pressure. I also think he will start with a full LIGHTWEIGHT front six…with Benny, Arteta, Theo, Arsharvin, etc. Sadly this is his biggest failing ie; Arsene cannot build a defensive formatio like Fergie can to win or draw big matches.He prefers to go down with pretty football and a leaky defence.My way is always …dont let then near your goal and they will make big mistakes as the crowd get on their back…Spuds crowds are the biggest turncoats in the land..always have been. Play Gunmans team or mine and we win 2-0….play AW’s and its pot luck and probably lose 3-1.

    • Spectrum says:

      Gunner Pete – Wenger only knows one way to play – attack. He cannot, WILL NOT balance it with a watchful defence.When the attack hits a wall, or lacks creativity, he has no plan in place to shore up the other end, so we could at least salvage something.We’re predictable, and always will be.We can’t change because he WON’T change.

  • A.U says:

    In all fairness, I fancy our chances against Spurs If we don’t get any Silly red cards and our defence remains organised. I’d go for

    Szczesny
    Sagna-Mertesacker-Song-Santos/Gibbs
    Frimpong-Arteta-Ramsey
    Walcott-van Persie-Arshavin (If Gervinho isn’t fit)

    This should be enough If Frimpong and Arteta give protection to our back four. Frimpong may not be the best technical player but he has what it takes to stop the likes of Modric. Alex Song can take on Ade anyday. Up front, Not a problem! RvP and Walcott should give King, Assou Ekotto and co. a hell of an afternoon. We may use the Ox instead of Andrei though (Or sub).
    Come on Gooners!!!

  • TigerGunner says:

    I think the key is the first 15 minutes. The team needs to settle down fast. The performance of the defence will also depend on attack. If we can provide a potent attack, it will pin them back and make them think twice or thrice. I hate for Song to be in the back four as our defence is more effective when he is in midfield, but if we don’t have a choice …
    4-1 win for the Arsenal!

  • WeNeedCescFabregas says:

    GK: Wojciech SCZCESNY
    DF: Bacary SAGNA Per MERTESACKER Alex SONG Andre SANTOS
    MF: Tomas ROSICKY Emmanuel FRIMPONG Mikel ARTETA
    FW: Theo WALCOTT Robin VAN PERSIE Andrey ARSHAVIN

    Sczcesny is a must, he’s quite good between the post, should have enough confidence to hold White Hard Lane’s forces.

    Sagna, you want it or not, he’s our best right back, experienced but might lose the pace of Bale.

    Mertesacker, slowly but greatly adapting to the Premier League. I’m sure he could handle aerial threats quite good. A great game reader, I know he will do well.

    Song, looks good in centre-halve role, but tends to go up a bit. Anyway, he’s still a good one, experienced.

    Santos, fast paced attacking wing back, I think he’s gonna do okay. He might not match Lennon’s pace (If Lennon do start), but he’s experience would be vital.

    Tomas Rosicky and Mikel Arteta, both gonna get the midfield busy. Both are fast decision maker, good passer. I chose them above Ramsey, because Ramsey seems slow in passing, tried to dribble too much when he should be passing.

    Frimpong, hard tackler would benefit the Gunners. I think he will do well slowing down Modric and Van der Vaart.

    Walcott and Arshavin, they’re still a better choose.

    Not to forget, our captain. Who else? Robin Van Persie.

    SUBS:
    Fabianski
    Gibbs
    Miquel
    Benayoun
    Gervinho
    Park Chu Young
    Miyaichi
    Ramsey
    Chamberlain
    Coquelin

    JUST CHOOSE!

  • winn says:

    this game has come too soon!! i have a very bad feeling!!

  • Clement says:

    ……………… ……Almunia…………………

    Gallas…….Senderos…..Cygan….Clichy

    Hleb……..Nasri…….Flamini……….Reyes

    …………..Adebayor……Bendtner………..

    SUBS: Traore, Diarra, Alliadiere, etc

    ANY LESSON LEARNED!
    ARSENAL !!!!!!!!!

  • Itshardtowin says:

    GK: David Seaman
    RB: Lee Dixon
    CB: Tony Adams
    CB: Sol Campbell
    LB: Nigel Winterburn
    CM: Patrick Veirra
    CM: Ray Parlour
    LM: Robert Pires
    RM: Paul Merson
    ST: Dennis Bergkamp
    FW: Thierry Henry

    SUBS:
    Jens Lehmann
    Martin Keown
    Marc Overmars
    Freddie Ljungberg
    Ian Wright
    David Rocastle
    Cesc Fabregas

    DONE! WE’RE GONNA WIN THIS, BIG TIME!

  • Bouba says:

    Well we don’t mean business and never did ( as a matter of fact )…
    Fourth defeat in 7 matches.

    The 15 place is based on merit and we deserve it.

    We are where we are now due to the work of Arsene Wenger…

    We need to forget about this season and start gathering ideas about next year, without Wenger, hopefully.

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