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Arsenal vs Stoke City, 3-1: Full time analysis and player ratings

Written by Chris on October 23, 2011 – 22:00

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Arsenal again needed Robin van Persie as they eased past Stoke City at the Emirates Stadium by three goals to one.

After positive results against Sunderland and Marseille, with the latter allowing us to go top in Group F of the Champions League, we today dominated the Potters, scored three goals, took all three points and afforded the luxury to indeed rest the mighty Robin who came on with 25 minutes to go and did just what we all wanted him to do.

If we are to ignore the conceded goal for now, the rest was simply brilliant and we will approach the Chelsea game with the right confidence and the right position in the table as this win moves us closer and closer to the Top Four and why not, maybe something more than just that.

As ultimately what we witnessed today is a very solid Arsenal side, improving in almost every area of the pitch but still in trouble when set-pieces are to be defended. If when defending set-pieces we manage to keep our focus for the full 90 minutes – and make no mistake this is more than possible since we were very brave to clear Rory Delap’s long throw-ins – then we will finally be “there” and I’m optimistic we’re not that far away from perfection.

As for individual performances, one cannot ignore Gervinho’s performance, his runs, his goal, his assists. His game would have been archived as “perfect” had he not slept when Ryan Shawcross made a run behind him when Stoke equalised but that’s a weakness of his game that I’m more than sure he will correct in the near future.

To conclude with the “negatives” and hence with the conceded goal, fair enough, it wasn’t a foul but since the referee blew his whistle, it was our job to focus and make sure not to give any space to the Stoke players, a mistake that Gervinho made as he allowed Ryan Shawcross to run behind him.

I mean if someone places a time bomb in your hand and instead of throwing it away you wait for it to explode, granted, you blame the individual who placed it in your hand but if still alive you will have to ask why you did nothing to avoid the danger. In fact, Arsene mentioned all this in his post-match press conference and I loved what he said because it is important to identify problems in order to, of course, solve them.

Theo Walcott is another concern. You look at Gervinho, you look at Andrey Arshavin, in a way you look at Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and you see players who bring more than Theo does on the pitch and with Drogba-less Chelsea coming up in a week, it’s time to accept the fact that the Englishman has to be relegated on the bench so as to start other, better players.

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Player Ratings

Szczesny: 6 – Solid game but again inexplicable the way he came dashing from his goal in the 66th minute even if Johan Djourou had the situation under control. It was still 1-1 and a mistake there could have been costly. What was he thinking? Also I didn’t like how he didn’t accept Cameron Jerome’s apology as the Stoke man immediately apologised for his actions and it would have been nice to see some maturity from our #1.

Mertesacker: 6,5 – Made a number of top-class blocks in the heart of the defence but should have done better, much better, when we conceded as he was the one who was marking Peter Crouch but shifted his focus towards the ball as soon as the Englishman ran goalwards.

Koscielny: 7,5 – Another top-class performance from the Frenchman who made a number of perfect blocks including the brilliant header for which the referee incorrectly blew his whistle and a fantastic block to deny Kenwyne Jones immediately after we scored the third.

Djourou: 6 – So and so on the right although he tried to improvise as he made a number of good angled runs. He carelessly, however, gave it away in the 36th minute, a mistake very similar to the one Carl Jenkinson made against Sunderland last week.

Santos: 6,5 – Very good game from Andre on the left. Very strong in defence – always alert of what was going on in front him – and of course always available when we surged forward.

Ramsey: 7 – Fantastic first half in which he first found Gervinho in the 14th minute, was unlucky not to score with a very good strike in the 21st minute and of course the one to produce the phenomenal pass for Gervinho when we took the lead. Faded away a little in the second half but this is much, much better from the Welshman.

Song: 6,5 – Like Wednesday, Alex made a number of uncharacteristic mistakes when on the ball but he was again very useful when helping the defensive department, credit for that.

Arteta: 6,5 – Improving. Kept it simple in midfield and made himself available when we were on the attack and was also an asset when we had to defend.

Gervinho: 8,5 – Brilliant run in the 14th minute to meet Aaron’s pass but should have maybe done better with his chest, the one to set-up Aaron minutes later for the aforementioned shot and gave us the lead after yet another brilliant run. But there’s more as he won a corner on minute 31 after a very good run on the left and of course the one to set-up Robin for both goals in the second half.

Walcott: 5,5 – Here we are, archiving another Theo Walcott game as a disappointing one. Made only one great run, in the 18th minute, delivering a very good cross with no-one in the box but besides that, not much from the Englishman who was correctly substituted in the second half.

Chamakh: 4 – Not sure why we let Nicklas Bendtner go to keep the Moroccan as he was yet again shocking before the substitution. You would expect him to do better, much better with some of the chances he was gifted. No surprise that after only five minutes Robin did more than he did in the 66 minutes he was on the pitch.

(Subs)
Arshavin: 6,5 – Very lively, you could see that we were much, much faster when on the attack as the Russian was not shy to dribble his way and created space for the likes of Gervinho, Aaron Ramsey and Robin van Persie.

van Persie: 8,5 – What more can you ask for? Came on in the 66th minute and gave us all three points with the help of Gervinho. Is he the only world-class player in our squad? Maybe. For sure is that it was nice to see that Arsene’s gamble paid off, top move from our manager to rest him today.

Frimpong: No Vote – Too little to rate although very dangerous the way he gave the ball away with his first touch.

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  • tonygunner says:

    Chamack (cant spell it) had another invisible game today. I heard he is on his way back to France in January. Maybe that is a good thing for everybody.

  • rvp15 says:

    I thought the article was very fair but the ratings could’ve been a bit higher given the favourable outcome.

    Who else loved seeing Nasri sitting on the bench for chiteh???

  • Georgi Gunner says:

    Very good game today. I wonder who is going to play on Tuesday? Especially defense.We can’t risk our only back four. That is correct, we have only four back four now. I hope we’ll see AOC, Ryo Miyaichi and Park.

    • tonygunner says:

      I’m starting to wonder why we signed Ryo and Park. I’m told they are good but AW is holding them for when? Maybe this Tuesday for Carling? If we can see them, then maybe we can rate them, Arsene? Apparently a friendly fan tells me Park can’t stop scoring for S Korea, but then again in 2 years he has to leave to serve in Korean military. If he is 30 as I am told, his time here is limited.

      • Kylmis says:

        He is 26, not 30.

  • Jon Toral says:

    We let Bendtner go because he didn’t fancy sitting on the bench anymore. We play only 1 striker and when RVP is fit, no other striker can get a look in.

    • davi says:

      Chamakh got a start today. RVP can’t play every game because he will get injured again if he tries. We need two centre forwards, and another forward like Park who can play through the middle effectively if needed (we hope). It should be a simple choice between bendtner and chamakh, and I think Nicklas has shown he is the more effective striker of the two. It’s a shame we’ve let him go because chamakh was more in need of a loan move in truth.

    • tonygunner says:

      And that is not a good thing in the long run I agree.

  • Felix says:

    Great game by the team, but with same old errors. We conceded from a set play which is something we have been complaining about for …God know how long.

    The two center backs are finally understanding each other and Looking at the performances of Kos, I am scared the return of TV5 will cause a serious selection head ache for Wenger and Pat Rice.

    **It was a pleasant surprise to see Song wearing the armband, kudos to him.

    • tonygunner says:

      Correction. 1 defensive error. We’re improving. Remember clean sheet at Marseille.
      Keep an open mind.

      • Felix says:

        our team conceded from a set play which I am sure left a sore test in the mouth of every gunner, but looking at the overal defensive performance from our center halves, there are a lot of positives to write home about.

        During their good runs, everybody seems to know his task on the field, and they are simply a joy to watch and let’s not forget that this has been achieved in a very short time. With more matches under their belts as a pair, kos and per might grow to be the premiership’s best defensive pairing.
        .

    • davi says:

      Why would that selection headache scare you? It’s great. It just means we have good cover in defence, and probably better cover for the fullback positions in Kos and TV.

      • GunnerEye says:

        I don’t understand what brother you ! If TV5 back ,move Kos to right back .It make more defensive !

      • Felix says:

        Looking at the manner in which Per and Kos’s performances have been improving as they garner more matches under their collective belt, I am afraid the return of TV5 might deter this new built understanding. Why? Because TV5 is definite the leader of our defense and automatically has a spot in that defense which means either Kos or Per will be moving to the bench.

        I also believe Wenger will prefer to play Jenkinson rather than Kos at left back to give the young Jenkinson a chance to develop and Djourou will be the obvious cover for left back since he is the least gifted of all 4 center backs. (I do not consider Squillachi a defender, he might be wenger’s companion, but definitely not worthy to be called an arsenal player.)

        The departure of Kos or Per from the starting line up will break down the development of a partnership that might have ruled the premiership one day, but, it is great since it only means we might never see the Squid in an arsenal shirt again.

        Forward!

  • Clément says:

    Let’s get in touch with the top 3 ans then activate the turbo. Good team rotation by the manager will be key!

    • Gus says:

      Why would somebody dislike that? Some people are weird.

  • Savage says:

    Glad to see as much credit given to Gerv as to RVP – good ratings I think.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Park in action against Bolton. I just get the feeling with Chamakh that, like Bendtner, he’s playing for the wrong kind of team. He’s playing like a target man, but there’s no one to lay off to.

    • tonygunner says:

      Christ, Gerv was MOM! 1 goal 2 assists.

  • Clément says:

    Sorry Chris, you are too harsh on your rating. Song 6.5, i guess your streaming was freezing when watching the game. Who can fishing the game without a bad few seconds? So please stop complaining for no raison.
    Can we enjoy for once back to back wins in the league since fevruary? Thanks

    • Chris says:

      I watch every Arsenal game on TV but thank you for worrying.

      And no, I’m not complaining for “no raison”, mon ami :)

    • tonygunner says:

      Its FeBruary in English , Clement. No offense, just kidding.

    • tonygunner says:

      Oh yeah, it’s also ” no reason” (raison en francais), or is this a Hercules Poirot show (I know he’s Belgique)

  • Bouba says:

    Again, what is the point of playing Walcott?

    The boy has no influence on the game and he is not ready to work for the team, even defensively…!! Basically, he is a total waist of space and opportunity for someone like Chamberlain or Benayoun.

    Why is Wenger insisting on playing him??? This is another tactical stubbornness and nonsense from the manager… Where is Park? What has become of him?

    After Walcott was substituted ( after 71 minutes of nothing and no show ) the game just lighted up and we became comfortable and I could even see some of our old flair passing and creation skills coming back.

    Even Ramsey was excellent as well as Arteta. Arshavin made a good entrance and Koscielny was commanding.

    Walcott does not bring anything to the table except the occasional rabbit run ( with an approximative ball control ).

    Anyway, that’s 3 more points in the bag and we are 7th on the table. What can I say? We are getting there slowly but surely…

    Next is Chelsea and we need to be prepared and concentrated because they might come motivated after today loss to QPR.

    Another thing… Wenger should not be blinded by his ego and deluded mind… YES, WE ARE HUGELY DEPENDING ON VAN PERSIE… That’s his fault ( Wenger fault ) for decorticating the squad of his best players years after years.

    • Metalhead says:

      @Bouba: Patience my dear friend! A few bad games does not make the player bad. Just last season Walcott was responsible for majority of the goals scored by Van Persie by providing him timely assists and scored 13 goals which is pretty decent. Until a few days ago you would have abused Ramsey, now that he’s performing he’s got a reprieve. Why is it that Arsenal fans always have to turn against their own players? Can’t you be supportive for a change?

      Also, I’ve heard a lot of guys including yourself talking about Arsene’s ego and his deluded mind? For Christ’s sake, he’s Manager trying to get us back to winning ways. What makes you think he’s deluded? And how is Arsene to blame for decorticating the squad when some people leave for money and others because they felt nostalgic? It’s not like he drove them out of the team.

      • RodGoonerInTtown says:

        Chris, I agree with your ratings and the fact that w/o RVP we wouldnt have got all 3 points, but I believe Songs job is to help the defence and he’s doing just that, so aside from his giveaways he recovered and came back to defend, so his ratings have been low lately according to you, but credit needs to be given to a player by playing his roll, but thats just my opinion from here in the USA you guys probably get to see the team up close and personal :)

    • mark says:

      its called player management.
      and thinking about the long-term future of the club.
      hopefully walcott will one day become a great striker to take over from RVP.
      if we ever want to see that day happen, walcott needs to develop and feel good about being at arsenal. its not simple.
      also, hes not in the best form, but he has shown in the past he can be a really influential player scoring and assisting. ups and downs.

    • matt foley says:

      theo is pretty bad, and i’m not sure why we don’t opt for playing someone like ox in a game like this when we need more acceleration than outright pace. there just isn’t that much room behind the defense. then again, theo did put a couple of balls into the area, and no one was there to bang them home. we could really use a big poacher type of striker in the next window.

    • Shari says:

      Please Bouba, yesterday we scored 3 goals, won by 3-1 and got all three points, and we showed good performances as a team, and yet you started your comment with all the negatives and only mention about the win at the end of your comment, and then closed it with, again, negative remarks.

      Walcott isn’t that bad. Not so long ago he was one of our valuable players, when he started his career with Arsenal. Much the same with Wilshere now. Yes he’s struggling to make an impact now, but I think Arsene still have faith in him because he’s basically a good player. yet arsene didn’t stubbornly keep him on the pitch yesterday when he saw that walcott didn’t meet his expectation and replaced him with Arshavin.

      Cheer up. Even ManU can lose big:)

  • Metalhead says:

    Mythbusters
    ———————–

    Myth#1 Arsenal are a one man team: Don’t fall for that statement made by some of those inane, so called pundits. Robin Van Persie is NOT the only world class player left at Arsenal. If anyone thinks people like Wilshere, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Song are not world class, they’ve got to be kidding themselves. Football is a team game. Not one player is entirely responsible for a win or a loss. Having said that some players have more of an influence than others, just like Messi has for Barcelona. Arsenal have produced great players and will continue to produce great players, unlike other teams that just scavenge for top class players.

    Myth#2 Stoke were in complete control until the introduction of Van Persie. : Joke of day! Arsenal were in complete control even without Van Persie. They just needed him for the finishing touch, which he delivered in style!

    Myth#3 Aaron Ramsey is not creative: Ramsey was the most influential midfielder along with Arteta. 88 passes with a 95% accuracy level + a couple of delightful chips which would have made Cesc proud.

    Myth #4 Gervinho is not an ideal replacement for Nasri: Gervihno brings more value to the side than what Nasri did. Nasri is a decent player but has a tendency to drifit infield. This made Arsenal too narrow and predictable. On the other hand Gervinho is genuine winger and brings much needed width to the team. Couple this with his dribbling skills and we have someone who could rival Bobby Pires and Overmars, let alone Nasri. 2 assists 1 goal today, did someone say we are a one man team?

    Myth #5 The 8-2 defeat was the worst defeat inflicted on a top 4 side. If you though 8-2 was bad with a injury raved side, playing away from home what do you call a team that gets beat 6-1 in its own backyard, and that too with their best players available for selection? Has anyone asked for Fergie’s head yet?

    Finally this win does not mean everything is going to fall in place. We need to be patient.
    There may be a few more roadblocks along the way. Just keep the faith!

    • tonygunner says:

      Next week v Chelsea will be the defining moment as to whether we have turned the corner.

      • Krazy Glue says:

        not necessarily next game, i mean, we lose at stamford bridge even when fab and nasri is there, but depending on our performance, it will show what we are made of. As long as there isnt a huge goal difference and we fight to the end, i am happy.

    • davi says:

      Who said stoke were in control of the game? I would have said that they were defending well, but anyone who thought stoke were in control of the game needs their head examined. They did nothing to hurt us in the second half, and that dodgy freekick was their one piece of dangerous play really.

      On the gervinho-nasri comparison: they are just different types of players. I agree that gervinho may offer “more value” in the longer term, but one look at nasri’s stats for man city shows what a quality player he is (6 assists and 1 goal in 6). Gervinho’s are about as impressive (2 goals and 3 assists), but the point is that these are just different types of players. Players like nasri are really useful, and we could do with someone with his creative spark, which is why wenger is seemingly desperate to sign hazard. Gervinho is a more similar player to walcott, but far more dangerous due to his better dribbling skills and better pass selection. His second assist today was absolute quality, looking up while travelling at speed and putting the ball in the only place VP could realistically get to the ball in a crowded box.

      • IHateBlogManagers says:

        Nasri creative spark ? Are you kidding me ? Nasri had for god’s sake 2 assists for Arsenal last whole season. Nasri may have been a good player in other areas he was not even 10% of Cesc in creativity , just because Cesc and Nasri left at the same time he is being treated on par with Cesc.

        • davi says:

          Assists aren’t everything. Hleb was a very important creative player for us but he didn’t get that many assists. He made chances by running at people and making space with his movement. If you want assists to prove creativity, nasri is showing now he can do that, but he was a creative outlet for us as well.

          • IHateBlogManagers says:

            Yeah basically we can accept what ever you tell is right because it cant be proved right. But i know one thing for sure Nasri was probably 10% of Cesc interms of passing. He did play for us in Cesc position he was not looking like he will create anything.
            And Gervinho almost always beats his man. Nasri probably is better finisher . I dont really think we need Nasri unless he replaces Theo.

            • davi says:

              “Yeah basically we can accept what ever you tell is right because it cant be proved right.”
              It’s an opinion based on watching the games – no one said you have to agree! What a childish response!
              *Do you* disagree, though, that hleb was an important creative player, despite the fact he didn’t directly assist many goals?

              “Nasri was probably 10% of Cesc interms of passing. He did play for us in Cesc position he was not looking like he will create anything.”
              How many games did he do that for? What was the state of the team at the time? Sometimes a player needs some time to adjust to the side, considering he very rarely played there for us. I do not believe he would have been anywhere near as good as fabregas, no one is in that position, but imo he would have been pretty good. Better than anderson, as an example, who’s pretty decent himself.

        • Brummie Gooner says:

          Totally agree. I think you will find that if you compare goals and assists for Arsenal last season, even the much maligned Walcott was ahead of Nasri.

          • IHateBlogManagers says:

            You are telling Walcott was not good last year ? He was really good last season and Theo was probably the most efficient player. Something happened to him this season he talks lot about how is a striker every other week. Theo was making those nice diagonal runs and finishing them off and was having so many assists. If you were not satisfied with Theo’s last season not sure what you actually expect him to do.
            But the problem is he keeps going back and forth i dont think we can afford to have him in the squad with his current contribution.

        • winn says:

          I think the loss of Nasri is grossly overated. It coinceided with Cesc, that is why it was stated that we lost two of our best players. Nasri for me is no great loss. He is full of promise and i hope he does fulfill it, for his sake. But he has not done anything for us. Arsenal are beginning to gel. And soon Fabregas and Nasri will be forgotten. Mind you we havent won much with those two. Gives an opportunity for RVP to step up and do what matters most,.. Score goals for us!!! . And we are looking solid at the back, we defended well against Stoke’s throw in’s and free kicks. And the return of TV will suddenly make our defence look very good, with miguel and jenkison on the side. PM is improving every game.

          • IHateBlogManagers says:

            Exactly Nasri was never supposed to be mentioned along with Cesc.

    • jason says:

      Legend :P

    • matt foley says:

      yeah, i think this is pretty much spot on.

      #4 i have thought that gervinho for nasri was a good swap. nasri isn’t as fast, his acceleration isn’t as quick, and he drifted in too much. nasri was more of the same from arsenal last season when we needed something a little different.

      also, how good is kos? he leaped right over peter crouch for the play that he was wrongly whistled for, and he simply stops everything and wins balls like few others. the guy may be one of the best defenders in the premier league right now, and with vermaelen coming back (one of the best defenders in the premier league his first season) and per who could be better – but is looking pretty good – our defense looks solid. i do think we need to drill set pieces on both sides of the ball. we have a 6′ 7″ german, and we haven’t scored from a corner this year if i remember correctly.

      i think we could use another creative player and a really fast winger, but we have wilshire, ox, and ryo so maybe we just need a big forward when we need to change to plan b since chamakh is looking dire.

    • Gus says:

      Metalhead my friend, start a blog. brilliant comment.

    • Unbeaten 49 says:

      Best comment in decades!

    • Hunter says:

      Sorry mate but none of those listed are world class players. They are very good, but not world class level. Just because they play for our team doesn’t mean we need to be blind to the fact that they have shortcomings.

      Yes, they were excellent yesterday, but a world class player performs ALL THE TIME. Not just once every few games.

      You don’t really understand the meaning of the term if you think Koscielny can be mentioned in the same breath with RVP.

  • lj says:

    next game
    flapyanski
    vermealan squica santos ………

  • lj says:

    ryo and ox upfront with park

    • tonygunner says:

      That’s a combo I would like to see.

  • gazzap says:

    Would really prefer to see us play with 2 strikers. a deep lying one and a penalty box player. RVP can play either of these roles. But with one striker we are too reliant on robin.

  • Krazy Glue says:

    Today I saw the old arsenal. These last few games, Our defense are honestly VERY solid. That goal, sure , was a bit off a let down, but other than that, I dont remember when Szcesney had to pull off one of his world class saves. I cant imagine what it would be like when Koscielny fills in for RB for sagna and Verma and Per pair up, Koscielny is looking absolutely world class at the moment (Told you so to the gunners who doubted him). What we lack now is the attack, and the wings, if we get both the wings with players that know how to play there roles, our attack would be just unstoppable. Gervinho showed what he truly is made of today, but walcott shouldnt be at arsenal (I say sell him to juve for 15-20 million to fund the transfer of a player that can actually contribute), and so too Arshavin. We might need one more midfielder thats creative, but Im sure when Jacky is back, we wont have many concerns. Ramsey did a wonderful job today, its consistency that we need from him. I think this year will be all about forming the 4th arsenal team. Next year is when we challenge for an actual title with the right players. We really need Chamakh on form. Hes like a long term Fernando torres, great potential, just not delivering. I mean, does anyone remember, back in prehistoric times when he scored 10 goals in 10 games!? UP GUNNERS.

    • tonygunner says:

      Not quite the OLD Arsenal but getting there. Defensively much improved but a way to go.
      Stoke goal shouldn’t have happened (re Song screw up at near post) (think it was song)

      • Krazy Glue says:

        Yes, odviously we are not gonna be the fabregas/nasri arsenal anytime soon, but you cannot say this was the 8-2 arsenal we saw at old trafford and at blackburn. That goal should have never happened as that foul was not really a foul. A false call by the ref.

        • davi says:

          When we talk about the “old arsenal” are we really thinking of the one that included nasri and fabregas??? That arsenal didn’t do too much, if you remember, and certainly wasn’t particularly good defensively. I think the addition of mertesacker has made us look more similar to the great old side. He isn’t as good, but his size and composure are somewhat reminiscent of sol campbell. He just doesn’t have the pace and power of sol. We have also looked more compact and solid in the middle of midfield in the past few games, and that is a major factor in our improvement. Arteta is doing a great job of supporting song, providing a proper shield for the defence, and moving the ball intelligently. Today Ramsey added some creativity to that today, which, again, is promising.

      • mrcady says:

        it was djourou.

    • mark says:

      walcott will be a striker. juve dont want him as a winger. they would use him as a striker. at arsenal he has a long time to wait though. i dont know why we dont play him as a striker in the CC. hes not improving on the wing anymore. but not in the best form walcott.

  • zebian says:

    Can I just say that was a really well worked set piece from Stoke, fair enough if we conceded some cross into the penalty spot, or from a corner; you can complain then. but for no reason does Gervinho or Arsharvin or Walcott ever EVER have to enter the defensive box, that is not their jobs, their jobs is to do what gervinho today.

    great win!

    • tonygunner says:

      Great win yeah, but in the modern game the forwards have to drefend as well, even in the penalty box. No?

      • LFS says:

        I don’t know but OUR forwards should be doing exactly that: help in defense! Both Chamack and RVP are great defending corners and set-pieces, that’s the way to go.

  • olat says:

    Please Mr Aw,we all fans are waiting for Park and Ox not only in carling cup,but also in EPL.

    • tonygunner says:

      Who today would you have put Ox and Park in for? I too am waiting to see Park. We have seen Ox and he will have his day soon. I believe Tuesday you will see them both start.
      Be patient.

      • Chris says:

        Raise your hand if you believe Alex would have been more shocking than Theo today.

        Put it down, come on! :)

        • tonygunner says:

          Chris,
          Neither had a great game, so let’s call it a draw and as you say, forget it.
          And now for something completely different, “Goodnight” from Monty.
          Roger and out.

    • mark says:

      its not a playstation game. when they are ready they will play

      • Scott (USA) says:

        When was the last time that Theo was ready to play.Theo”s not ready and he plays.

  • tonygunner says:

    Wondering why you are dwelling on Gervinho’s lapse as a defender when he was MOTM with with a goal and 2 assists. What WE should be concerned about is that RVP is basically our only goal scorer. Apparently stats show he has scored more than half our goals this calendar year. A healthy Arsenal should have at least 6 players scoring frequently. Whose going to step up if he gets injured (which heaven forbid, his record suggests he will sooner or later)?
    Anyway, great day at the office today considering other results, particularly Manu 1 Man C6. They finaly got theirs and at home! 1-6 at home is worse than 2-8 away eh?
    Nuff said.

    • Chris says:

      Because today we got away with it, tomorrow, who knows?

      Better make sure that it doesn’t happen tomorrow rather than ignoring it today, no?

      • tonygunner says:

        Chris, if you’re saying we should leave our trainers to work with him on the training ground to improve that part of his game, how can I argue? But will they? Otherwise as usual, your article was good. I always enjoy the dialogue.

  • Gunnerrob says:

    Three way tie for man of the match, Ramsey, Gervinho, RVP. Really great performance, delighted.

    • tonygunner says:

      Where does Ramsey come into this debate?

      • mark says:

        the assist for one and it was a much improved game by him. he showed signs he can be really damaging. i think his confidence is up.
        well RVP got on the end of two could plays and it just happened to be decisive. so it does entitle him to MOTM but my choice is Gervinho. with Ramsey and RVP tied not far bheind

      • Gunnerrob says:

        Tied

  • Matty?? says:

    Why do you always say ‘aforementioned’ in every set of ratings? :P

    • Chris says:

      So as not to repeat myself :)

      Happens often that a nice assist is not converted by the receiver and I mention it twice, in the explanation of both players.

      • Gus says:

        keep saying it. its little mannerisms and idiosyncrasies like that which make your website so good.

      • Matty?? says:

        Yeah I guess so, nice word ;)

  • Aussie Jack says:

    The Chelsea game could be a golden opportunity to put Gervinho up front with Robin just behind him and introduce Chamberlain, I`m quite sure the lad will aspire to the occassion.

    • tonygunner says:

      Good comment. But I doubt AW will do it. Hope I’m wrong but whatever, we should be optimistic about getting a result at the Bridge. Confidence is high and Chelsea are faltering. I think believe Torres and Drogba are suspended. That’s good news for us!

      • Georgi Gunner says:

        Torres will not be suspended. Drogba will not improve his goal record against Arsenal next week. :-)

      • tosyn says:

        I think torres will play. He’s completed his 3- match ban. That’s no cause for worry anyway.

    • IHateBlogManagers says:

      Guys lets stop this 4-4-2 nonsense thing. All the top teams are playing with 3 midfielders unless all the managers of the top teams are wrong and u guys are right , 4-4-2 has serious draw backs . 4-4-2 vs 4-3-3 or variants i have not seen a team playing 4-4-2 come out top recently anybody remember the way Man U was humiliated by Barcelona. We may not be Barcelona just because we play 4-3-3 but more likely than not we will be far worse with 4-4-2.

  • Dave says:

    Well done guys! a super win I hope we carry on in this vein of form.

  • yep says:

    Gervinho the versatile player, left or right foot, he can do. Would love to see Arshavin (impact player) play in the CAM role ’cause he’s more of good use in the middle than the flanks and Park as a supporting striker. 4-4-2

  • Adm says:

    Van Persie is simply phenomenal. Also obviously it’s time for Wenger to start utilize Park, Ox and Ryo instead of Walcott, Arshavin and Chamakh.

    • Waleed says:

      Why? Because we’re winning?

  • T2T says:

    A good win, no injuries (I think). Your marks are pretty much in line with mine except I’d give RvP a better score; what more can you ask for in 25 min?

    I except major changes for Tuesday with the question is, who should play at the Bridge…?

    For Tuesday, I expect the following will be involved:
    Mannone is my preferred choice in goal but I except Fabianski will get the nod.
    RB: Yennaris
    CB: Squillaci, Miquel
    LB: J Meade
    MF: Frimpong, Coquelin, Benayoun, Rosicky
    Strikers: Oxlade-Chamberlain, Park, Miyaichi, Arshavin

    Do we accept to lose because we field a team that is neither filled with the best players nor established as a Team? Should we play the reserves but strengthened with some of the fringe players from the first team squad?

    • davi says:

      Aneke should play. He’s been good this year, and it’s time he had a chance imo. Frimpong, Coquelin and Aneke would give a combination of power, tactical awareness and creativity, I think.

    • mark says:

      fabianski
      djourou (good learning experience) miquel squilacci santos
      frimpong
      oxlade chamberlain benayoun rosicky miyaichi
      walcott

      your defence is too inexperienced and will be detrimental to the team on so many levels.

    • gt says:

      Interesting lineup, but I feel the back line is a bit weak… I think Santos should play LB as he can use more experience vs a PL team (with less pressure)…. and DJ should start ahead of Squallici even though it’s a CC game.

  • John says:

    Hahaha Szczesny little trick was irresponsible but class!

    • tonygunner says:

      Irresponsible and class. e.g. Paris Hilton?

  • mark says:

    loved seeing shezny fired up and angry. need a few more of those in the arsenal team.

    djourou for degree of difficulty gets an 8. not easy for a big guy like himself to fill in at full back but hes a classy player and i doubted he could do it but he impressed me at times in right back. his initiative is great and hes a good leader. hopefully can see him get back to his best becuase he was a great CB for most of last season when vermaelen went down injured and we were thinking we were doomed.

    i was most impressed by ramsey and hopefully theres more to come. it seems like he was pushing himself a bit more to get more out of himself. i hate seeing him playing timidly and going for easy passes. he has so much class and we need him to take the game on. this game restored my faith in him.

    its typical game from song but im liking that his effort is really consistent this season and hes really standing up as a leader when arsenal really needs them.

    arteta i dont think will be the player we all hope for. but hes so solid and experienced and i never get worried when he has the ball. im sure he´ll get better still.

  • JohnStilton says:

    I love this site but I have to tell u that u dont know much about fotball.
    Chamack was fantastic in the first half. He is not a top scorer, true. However he allows player to come in the play, holding the ball attracting defenders towards him, creating space for wingers to make the run. And he does it better than Robin. Plus with some games under his belt he could be a real threat. 4? This is a joke he deserves a 6,5 or 7.

  • Waleed says:

    We are being harsh on Chamakh. Not a great game but we can’t expect a RvP-esque performance from him, especially since he lacks regular playing time.

    His hold up play was decent and he did create space for Walcott and especially Gervinho with his movement.

    And as for goals, they didn’t come, but you could see he got himself into a few very good positions.

    I think he will do fine once he gets a good run. Wenger needs to do what he did today and keep him involved in the first team. Keep giving him some time whenever possible.

    And I think if we do have to rely on him I think he can definitely replicate his performances from the first half of last season. The reason he stopped scoring is simply because he stopped starting games. His rate of goals/assists per game is still similar to what it was in the first half of last season.

    And while it would be nice to have another center forward who could score goals (like Eduardo) we do have other players, forwards, in fact, who can, and need to, score. With or without RvP. I’m talking about Gervinho and Walcott.

    As for Walcott, his form will return.

  • Gevorg says:

    Chris, it should have been “scored three goals” instead of “scored three points”. ;)

    • Chris says:

      Corrected, thanks :)

  • Toba says:

    This team is becoming very sturdy in defence, robust in midfield, creative in that atttacking midfiield, imposing flank men and deadly in finish-This is the mark of Champions

  • Aussie Jack says:

    The United v City result should start the alarm bells ringing if they haven`t already.

    We have reached a point of `no contest` therefore there is no objective. Unless the `financial fair play` rule is introduced ,AND POLICED, the competition as we have known it is over. You can`t spend what you don`t earn, sugar daddies are history.

  • Ganesh says:

    Koscielny was excellent! If he keeps up this performance then we’ll go places. I’m losing my patience with Walcott, however. Credit to Ramsey, I had given him some stick in this site but I was impressed with his performance and mentality. And yes, we’ve still got Vermaelen and Wilshire to come back so RvP is not the only world-class player at Arsenal. Up the Goons!

  • Bharath says:

    I cant believe that people are now complaining that we should have kept bendtner. We have been calling for his head for almost a year now. Anyways the point is that he did not want to sit on the bench and watch persie play. The fact is chamak is ready to do that, take one for the team. He has not played in ages and on his first day out you cant expect him to match up to persie.(which he cant anyways). Lets get behind this guy, he is a hard worker and works for the team. His hold up play is world class, just needs more game time.

  • Guvnor says:

    Well done to the boys on the Stoke victory. Next up, the Carling Cup an that is a tricky one!!!! The domestic cups are our only hope really although l also believe we still got something to say in the big one, the Champions League. Do we rest players? I feel we should play our best backline so as to give them more playing time as a unit and so improve on their cohesion. Also, a win there will do us a world of good, especially and emphatic one. We can experiment with other departments up-top with the big guns waiting on the bench. But then if someone comes out of that game crocked then we are in for it so the questions comes up again, do we rest the players? l’d imagine its one of those damned if you do and damned if you dont kinda situations. l believe though this is one game we want to give the youngsters a run out. l want to see the Riodinhos, Oxos of this world in this one and Park leading the attack. Le Coq, Frimmers also as well as Ignasi forming the necleuos. I know we are going to need these youngsters to step up sooner than we may care to admit. COYG!!!

  • summerbreez says:

    Great win thank God we are strengthening we need to practice corners to start scoring from them

    on to bolton come on Arsenal

  • Patrick Ssekatawa says:

    Who needs Gary Cahill after all? Koscielny is developing into a real man mountain, while Mertesacker was a bargain. With this kind of performance, I pity Mr. Wenger because he will face a real selection headache with who to play and who to bench between him and TV5. I want to give credit to the boys for a job well done. We are surely on the up!

  • Berk Face says:

    It’s taken… what… 13 years? To realise that you have to rest your key players every now and then so they aren’t burnt out by March.

    Shame that he’s waited until now instead of when we had people like Henry, Pires, Vieira, Campbell, Adams, Fabregas and a chance of winning something.

    Good result – no injuries picked up and Van Persie had a bit of a rest. Big game next weekend. Shame Drogba’s out.

    • Jack Mo says:

      I know I shouldn’t be a Policeman here, but surely, Someone has correct you. 13 years?, where did that come from?.

      And all those names you mentioned there won something with Arsenal my Friend.

      All the others won a lot with Arsenal and Fabregas and Van Persie won the 2005 FA Cup at least.

      Most of us who have been in football for long know that.

      Please stay relevant.

  • manas says:

    Walcott is worst of the lot as usual with no basic skill. I do not understand why he chose football instead of short distance run. He should be sold to any 2nd div team. Chamakh is inferior to my indian forwards. Apart from these two, all are quite well. Arshavin, Gervinho and RVP should always play upfront. Why Bendtner has been released, is a million dollar question to me instead of two jockers Walcott and Chamakh.

  • MV says:

    Give Chamack a break! He is good at putting pressure on the defenders, he’s good in the air…and he’s not even played 1 full PL game yet this season! COME ON! How impatient can you get!? Remember last year….?

  • Long Island Gunner says:

    Ok then, some 2 cents worth from across the pond…..

    Chamakh – same player as last year with the predictably high work rate and ability to offer the passing target and combine well. Like the entire team went through, he is short of confidence at the moment but given the chances he is getting in for, the goals will surely come.

    Walcott – I’m struggling mightily to find the silver lining here based on match performances. He needs to be more influential in the match and he just doesn’t seem to have a clue how to go about doing so. Hope – as many mentioned here – that he is going through a rough patch and will find some consistency. Ox and Ryo really need to see some time before JW returns.

    Arteta – some say he is not the player we were hoping for whereby I respectfully disagree. The guy oozes maturity and simple class. Our game style is not an easy one to play in the middle of and he is better at it each week. In addition, he is clearly the experienced fulcrum around which we are playing and developing 20 year old Ramsey, 19 year old Wilshere, 19 year old Frim and 20 year old Coquelin – bracketed by that way old (24 years) one central MF – Song. That such players are pushing on in the EPL at this stage speaks volumes about Arteta. (I did not forget Rosicky, just not on point for total minutes / anchoring so far this season).

    Defense – I have said since the early days of Kosc (highly biased) double yellow vs. Liverpool that Kosc would play at a top, top level for AFC – as long as he’s with the proper partner in central defense. He is a fantastic puzzle piece and not the Terry type or the Rio Type or other CB’s that seem “dominating” – much more like Pique of Barca and much better suited to the continental game than the EPL – but do not doubt his ability to play in the “English style” game as he is incredibly smart and reads the game as well as anyone. I think you see him and Vermie lining up against the Barca’s of the season and TV5 and Merte lining up against the Stoke’s when all are healthy. Merte is playing incredibly well and Szezzer is just lighting it up. Which makes a good segue into the next point on this and other blogs….

    We have only 1 World Class player in the roster – I don’t know where the metrics are for World Class, but here is what I see for 2011 – 2012:

    Sczez – Top or in the top 3 in the EPL based upon performances this season.
    RB: Sagna – Top or in the top 3 in the EPL over the past few years
    TV5 – In that Top Tier of CB’s – domestically and internationally – without doubt
    Song – Most underrated player in the EPL – every team would pay massively to get him
    RVP – No words needed

    Players that should be / will be on that list come May
    Kosc – If he finishes this year with the same consistency as we’ve seen so far, Top Tier
    JW – Played 1 season so far and showed his international level class, Top Tier
    Ramsey – at 20, recovering footspeed and game maturity weekly, will likely be top class
    Gervinho – looks to be on the precipice of lighting it up a la Pires with each passing week

    So -today, not tomorrow and not as players experience their natural glidepath from young potential into genuine impact players – we have 5 full internationals that are at the top of the game in their positions – anyone contesting those players at that level just does not know the game. And those 5 EXCLUDE JW, Kosc, Ramsey, et al.

    I’ll take our roster any day! Go you gunners.

  • Hansson says:

    Against Bolton:

    Fabianski
    Yennaris-Squillaci-Miquel-Meade
    Frimpong-Coquelin
    Chamberlain-Benayoun-Miyaichi
    Park

    Worried about the back four, but we need to rest players for Chelsea.

  • Petphil says:

    Kudos to Arsenal once again…
    I believe Chamakh can do better if he is consistent on the pitch. i think Arsenal playing a lone stricker is killing other strickers for getting the ball. i mean that is why we have not seen the likes of Park, Miyachi and even Chamakh himself. i think using two strickers up front will help build Arsenal team more.
    I will still say it, Koshiely is still the best defender we have…And Walcot is the worst at the moment, yet AW keeps using him, i dont know why. He should be using Oxlade instead of Walcot….
    Kudos to Arsenal…D GUNNERZ…

    • Jack Mo says:

      You got everything correct there my friend, only that Walcott has done enough in recent months to warrant some patience, But not at the expense of someone as good as Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.

      Oxlade-Chamberlain deserves his chance and NOW, or he will depreciate spectacularly like Carlos Vela did.

      Even Vela was one of the brightest footballers when he joined us, he has developed only retrogressively ever since.

      Oxlade Chamberlain may not be ready for starting Premier League games but he should always have his place on the bench and Walcott should be made to feel the pressure. Arshavin isn’t giving him any.

      So, It should be Walcott and Chamberlain for right side and Gervinho and Arshavin for left side, using Gervinho and Arshavin on both sides is leading to lack of ideas and lack of room for Chamberlain.

      Park should get his place ahead of Chamakh.

      But all in all, all our first team players should be playing, with Frimpong aand Coquelin also needing to find priceless chances to develop.

      90 minutes is a long time, Coquelin should be getting some minutes out of Arteta’s time, Frimpong out of Song’s time, Chamberlain out of Walcott’s time, Chamakh and Park out of Robin Van Persie’s time e.t.c.

      There is no need to bring them all together in one game like Tommorrow’s Carling Cup, then keep them completely out. What they need is not to actually play together, but to actually learn how to integrate with the first team.

  • Zigzag says:

    Pretty much spot on with your ratings but I disagree about Szczesny. Cameron Jerome run into him on purpose and Stoke still try to bully us (if we let them) so I actually loved that Szczesny stood up to him and gave him an earful. We don’t need their lame apologies.
    I’m so glad people warm up to Koscielny finally, I love the guy and reckon he’s much better than Cahill. Wenger was right (again)!

  • Scott (USA) says:

    It was a nice game to watch. A mistake on our set pieces as usual (those kind of things kill you against the big teams) But the team didn’t collapse and played really well after. I really think Arteta has stabilized our midfield. Some calm and experience. It can only help Ramsey. Santos I thought was real solid at LB. Very good on the ball and doesn’t get nervous. Overall a fine performance and hopefully they will continue forward. Gervinho was class. Stoke had no answer for him. It was beautiful.

  • Scott (USA) says:

    P.S. God it’s fun to listen to ManU supporters bitch and moan about there game against Citeh. Maybe the press can jump on them for awhile.

  • Phil says:

    thought Walcott was abysmal. I think Arshavin coming in for him was more important than Van Persie for Chamakh. I can picture Chamakh scoring at least one of Van Persie’s chances, but struggle to picture Walcott releasing Gervinho the way the Arshavin did.
    But don’t get me wrong, I was clamoring for Van Persie to come on as soon as he didn’t start the second half.
    I’m not sure if Theo is trying too hard or not hard enough. Either way, he doesn’t seem to be dealing very well with the pressure he is under.

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